Author Topic: NEW "STUNT TRAINER" KIT (Read 3600 times)

LARRY RICE · « **on:** February 12, 2007, 10:52:04 PM »

This kit is so new that it will not be available until the 19th of this month, finishing the plan sheet.
Wing span 18" to 21" (cut wing down for Musciano Unlimited Contest).
Wing area 96 square inches.
Engine .049 Black Widow or Golden Bee.
All sheet construction.
Complete hardware.
Designed by Walt Musciano.
$26.50
Larry

frank carlisle · « **Reply #1 on:** February 13, 2007, 12:22:36 AM »

I like-I like............very nice Larry.

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #2 on:** February 13, 2007, 01:14:27 AM »

Cute...that fuselage looks a little like the Snapper's--inverted.

--Ray

LARRY RICE · « **Reply #3 on:** February 13, 2007, 10:00:27 AM »

I see what you mean about the fuselage.

I am looking at using the same design to produce an "Eindecker" soon. Different tail, round cowling, different wing but similar.

Larry

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #4 on:** February 13, 2007, 04:07:57 PM »

the same, only...different. I get it.

I Have to ask: What is an Eindecker? German plane I'm guessing? You got pics?

--Ray

Robert McHam · « **Reply #5 on:** February 13, 2007, 05:58:57 PM »

I think that is very nice!
Pretty rare engine you stuck on there! That must be the Limited Edition Black OK CUB Widow, right? Or is it the even more rare Golden OK Cub Bee? Heh!
Sorry, couldn't resist that one!

Could there be an Aircoupe in the future? I just saw an original on $bay go for over a hundred and fifty! It is a nice looking model.

Robert

LARRY RICE · « **Reply #6 on:** February 13, 2007, 08:27:25 PM »

A triplane just sold for over $151.00, I do not pay much attention to what the collectors are buying, they want "Scientific Models" kits not Black Hawk Models. No the Aerocoupe is not on our list right now.

This comming year we will be adding profiles, Giant King Pin, and about 6 or 7 log kits. We are working, with Walt, on re-designing Gulfhawk jr. kit.

Ray,
The Eindecker was a WW I fighter designed by Fokker as the E-I. It was the first plane to use a gear that allows a machine gun to fire through the propeller. Sorry but the picture that I have will not post.
Larry

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2007, 08:39:00 PM »

Ah...I've read of it then, the prop bumped a knob that triggered the guns (when the pilot's fire button was down)...who was it, before then, who put steel plates on the back of the prop to deflect bullets when shooting through it? Seems like that inspired Mr. Fokker to design the--regulator? coordinator?--whatever thingy. I was once fascinated with WWI planes and their development during the war years, read everything I could get my hands on...forgotten most of it now. Talk about accelerated aircraft design development!

--Ray

LARRY RICE · « **Reply #8 on:** February 14, 2007, 12:23:29 PM »

History 101
The first year of WW I aircraft were used for only for observation, later fighters were developed only to protect the observation planes. The airplane worked very well as an observation plane, this did not set well with some pilots so they armed themselves with Pistols, Rifles, hand garnades and steel darts to drop on enemy planes.
A French pilot, Roland Garros, went to the manufacture of the plane he was flying, Morane-Saulnier, N type monoplane, and had a michine gun, Hotchkiss, mounted to the fuselage and steel deflector plates bolted to the propeller to deflect any bullets that might hit the prop. This worked very well until he was forced down behind German lines and captured.
The interrupter gear that Fokker would use had been invented in both Germany and England about 3 years before the war and tested with success. However it was not adapted because of the weight of the machine gun and no-one thaught it would be needed. Fokker made it hydrolicaly operated and mounted it to his Eindecker (one wing) E-III with such great success that they dominated the sky well into 1915.
Larry

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #9 on:** February 14, 2007, 01:33:07 PM »

Yeah, I knew it was something like that, that's what I meant, yeah... Told you I've forgotten most of it.

Robert McHam · « **Reply #10 on:** February 18, 2007, 05:15:17 PM »

Larry, the triplane seems to be pretty popular with your line. The "Aircoupe" is a really distinct design as well (just as the triplane is really distinct) and would do well (especially in the beginning) if you were to offer it.

I still think the high dollars do have some indication of the popularity. Rarity is the primary driving force, no doubt.

Good job on the electric using the Stunt trainer as the base. I think you have a good thing going.

Robert

Ed Burkot · « **Reply #11 on:** August 24, 2009, 10:59:37 AM »

Larry: interesting that you said you were working on the plan sheet. I just got one of these kits and there is no plan sheet, just some simple text.

I am a bit disappointed in this kit. No guidance as to where to glue the bulkheads in place. Sure I made an educated guess, but a plan sheet would be a great help!

How about the tape to hold the elevator onto the horizontal stabilizer? Does it go on top, on bottom, cut it to put it on both top and bottom?

Text says that the engine will hold the landing gear wire in place. Really? I don't think I want to strip out my engine mounting threads in the firewall because of a rough landing that forces the landing gear wire to push the engine out. I'll come up with something.

I had bought this kit for my teenage son to put together and learn to fly control line with, but after reviewing the contents and instructions, I decided it's all I can do to figure this out.

Should there have been a plan sheet in this kit?

john e. holliday · « **Reply #12 on:** August 24, 2009, 04:30:21 PM »

I remember the Scientific kits using the engine to hold the wire gear to the firewall/bulkhead. In all the grass landings I made none of the gear ever came off the plane. I didn't know about blind nuts back then and only used the little wood screws that came with a kit. I just need to get enough ahead to start getting more of the Blackhawk kits. DOC Holliday

LARRY RICE · « **Reply #13 on:** August 24, 2009, 11:35:30 PM »

I sent a personnel message to ed to clear everything up. There is a plan sheet in the kits.
Doc. you don't know what you are missing, these things are great fun.
Larry

Ed Burkot · « **Reply #14 on:** August 25, 2009, 05:49:30 AM »

Sorry to be so rough on you in my previous posting, Larry. The landing gear wire does look thin enough to be bent back in a rough landing, but not strong enough to hold its shape and force the engine forward, stripping out the plywood firewall.

Larry, I do appreciate your efforts in making these designs/kits available again. Good times for us baby boomers!

John Rist · « **Reply #15 on:** August 25, 2009, 10:22:18 AM »

Quote from: LARRY RICE on February 14, 2007, 12:23:29 PM

History 101
The first year of WW I aircraft were used for only for observation, later fighters were developed only to protect the observation planes. The airplane worked very well as an observation plane, this did not set well with some pilots so they armed themselves with Pistols, Rifles, hand garnades and steel darts to drop on enemy planes.
A French pilot, Roland Garros, went to the manufacture of the plane he was flying, Morane-Saulnier, N type monoplane, and had a michine gun, Hotchkiss, mounted to the fuselage and steel deflector plates bolted to the propeller to deflect any bullets that might hit the prop. This worked very well until he was forced down behind German lines and captured.
The interrupter gear that Fokker would use had been invented in both Germany and England about 3 years before the war and tested with success. However it was not adapted because of the weight of the machine gun and no-one thaught it would be needed. Fokker made it hydrolicaly operated and mounted it to his Eindecker (one wing) E-III with such great success that they dominated the sky well into 1915.
Larry

Larry,
Are you sure the interrupter was hydraulic? Somewhere at home I have a book on the history of the Eindecker. As best as I rember the old pictures show a push rod / bell crank system between the gear plate mounted on the motor and the machine gun mounted on the cowling.

Ed Burkot · « **Reply #16 on:** September 04, 2009, 08:35:30 AM »

Larry: I just finished building the Stunt Trainer. One question and one comment.

Question: what is the large metal washer in the kit for? My only guess is to use as a balancing weight, but my stick-on 1/4 ounce weights are easier to use.

Comment: the nylon washer that comes with the bellcrank/control horn has an inside diameter that is too large for the supplied control horn screw. I'm assuming that this washer goes on the top side of the elevator for the screw to thread into. Maybe not?!

LARRY RICE · « **Reply #17 on:** September 04, 2009, 09:10:40 AM »

Yes the washer is a wing weight and yes the stick on ones are easier to use. I do not understand the question. Not everyone has a stick on weight and would not like to pay more for the kit when a simple glue on washer works just as well as well.
The washer for the control horn is not to big, the screw goes through it and screws into the control horn also note the bumps on it press into the elevator to keep the control horn from turning.. This unit is made by Sig.
Larry

Ed Burkot · « **Reply #18 on:** September 04, 2009, 10:48:28 AM »

Oh!! The washer is a wing weight, not for balancing fore and aft. Gotcha! As for the nylon washer, I attached the control horn with the screw going the other way, as that is how I'm used to installing control horns for R/C aircraft - screw through the horn, then the elevator, then the nylon 'washer'. Your way works better! I used the nylon backing plate from an R/C control horn for the screw to go into and hold everything together.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #19 on:** September 05, 2009, 09:19:31 AM »

Are you saying the instructions are not that clear on the kit? I have several Black Hawk kits now that I have gotten off the bay. Yes I am a cheap skate. Anyway I have no problems with the Black Hawk kits. Of course I have been doing this for umpteenth years. Started with stick and tissue Comet kits when they were a dime. Have fun, DOC Holliday