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Offline russ mccormick

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baby ringmaster line lenth?
« on: April 13, 2010, 01:46:28 AM »
I just finished building a baby ringmaster it came out to 4.5 oz. ready to fly. I'm going to use one of the new stinger motors on 15% nitro.
I wondering what lenth lines I should start out with?
I have a set of 35' lines but I'm thinking this plane might be a little fast on those.
I havn't flown cl since I was a 12 back in 92' when I used to fly at mile square park with the KOTRC.
I heard they got rid of the flying area mile square park, Thats really too bad it was a nice place to fly.
I live in the high desert now about 3 hours from Whitter narrows. Whats the best day of the week to go down there to see some flying?

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Re: baby ringmaster line lenth?
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2010, 10:36:46 AM »
Usually there are flyers at Whittier Narrows both weekend days from about 9:00 till Noon.  I believe that John Wright and Joel Chesler also fly on Wednesdays.  Our next contest is the weekend after next, a 2 day affair, the Palmer Memorial.  We are flying the 1cc models on Saturday.  For details, go to KOTRC.org
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Re: baby ringmaster line lenth?
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2010, 11:24:55 AM »
Thanks I was thinking about going down for the Palmer memorial. I need to get some practice in before I'll bring a plane down to fly. I'm thinking about
getting the plans for the veco papoose, I bought one from one of the knights with a fox .15 in it back in 91'. I turned it back into a kit after clevis solder joint failed after a bad repair I made to it. It made for an exciting few laps with just flaps and the elev. loose flaping in the breeze. before I finally lost it. I have a magnum .15 sitting in a ziplock bag in my parts box, that needs a new backplate. I think that should make a good power plant for it.

Another ?  Do many people fly electric down at Whitter? I'v switched to electric on my whole r/c fleet would like to do the same with C/L


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Re: baby ringmaster line lenth?
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2010, 01:49:26 PM »
Only Stan Tyler is flying an electric, and that only occasionally.  You can find out more on the electric forum section, I expect.
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Re: baby ringmaster line length?
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2010, 05:25:09 PM »
yeah I guess I got off topic,

any suggestions on line length for the baby ring master?

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Re: baby ringmaster line lenth?
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2010, 11:34:14 PM »
Sorry, not familiar with the "Stinger" motor.  Is it a version of the Cox RTF engine?  Perhaps a clone of the original Killer Bee?  If so, I would do a minimum of 40' lines, probably 45' with cautious flying and cut the lines shorter as needed.
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Re: baby ringmaster line lenth?
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 12:56:45 PM »
best I can tell the stinger motor is a sure start with a TD cylinder & piston with a reg. head. I'm still waiting for it to come in the mail.
I have a baby bee on it now but it's wore out and won't run a full tank. The needle fits losely in the back plate and it leaks air by it.The bottom of the cylinder also leaks and it leaks at the rear of the crank. I have a black widow style backplate and tank that is in good condition. I ordered a new cylinder and piston and a bunch of seals for it. I think I'm going to add a couple of vent tubes to the baby bee tank and use the black widow back plate on it. The clinder and piston I have has good compression but the threads at the bottom of the cylinder are a messed up from having the ports
redone by the original owner. I might try to use a little high temp auto sealeant on the threads of that cylinder and see if I can get a good seal on it.
the rear face on the crank housing also is messed up from some crash damage but I'm pretty sure I can fix that. The crank it self is in great shape and fits well in the housing but I will need to make a shim for the front of it  because  the front of the housing is wore down from an starter.
But I'm guessing that power output from my baby bee will be about the same as the stinger. Due to the cylinder it has is ported like a td as well.
I think I will try some 40' lines at first, I'd rather have the lap time a little fast than risk having bad line tension.

With any luck I can get both motors running and I can build another 1/2a plane.

I'm really impressed with alot the 1/2a planes I'v seen on this forum.





 
 

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Re: baby ringmaster line lenth?
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2010, 05:41:29 PM »
I am too far away to attend the contest but, if you have the plane ready to fly.  The guys may give you some help during a lull in competition or after days rounds are flown.  I know a few of the guys/gals from attending the VSC in Arizona and they are a great bunch.   H^^
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Re: baby ringmaster line lenth?
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2010, 09:20:29 PM »
Russ,

The leaky needle on Cox engines is pretty common. An easy fix is to remove the spring and insert a piece of fuel tubing in its place. I have also inserted a washer and a shorter piece of fuel tubing UNDER the spring.

Another option is to use the appropriate Loktite (blue) on the threads. Make sure you don't use the type that will render it not adjustable.

Some Cox engines have a washer between the crankcase and the thrust plate so it can be used with a starter.

I have not flown a Baby Ringmaster but I would GUESS about 40 feet, depending on type of line.

If your Babe Bee won't run out a full tank, perhaps you have a leak in the tubing inside the tank...or the pickup may be in the wrong place...or the little "O" ring that seals the venturi between the tank and the backplate is missing or defective. Worth a check.

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Re: baby ringmaster line lenth?
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2010, 11:34:12 PM »
well I was going through my cox stuff and found another baby bee back plate that has a good fit on the needle. It's one of the grey plastic ones that has one vent with a nipple and one vent that is just a small hole next to the other. I never liked the plastic ones so it is probably brand new.I refaced the rear of the crank case and lapped it to the tank. I used a small piece of fuel tubing to replace the worn out o-ring and replaced the pick up with some new tubing. I did get the cylinder to seal with some rtv. No more leaks but It still doesn't want to run a full tank. The guy I got it from had tried to re-port the cylinder and opened it up to far, It actually has a small hole where he ground through the cylinder wall. To bad because it started out as a #7 texaco cylinder. I'm going to try it on a bladder and see if that helps. I got my order from Cox International today, lots of new spare parts and a new stinger motor. I'm really happy with the parts fit on the stinger.The block and cylinder are soaking in some castor oil right now.I will start breaking it in on sat. It looks like it is infact an easystart crank assembly with a estes td sub inducion cylinder and piston, and a #325 head. Kind of a venom want to be. But it should be a screamer maby as good as a venom if I put a td head on it. I aslo got another sub induction cylinder & piston might try it on my baby bee, might keep it as a spare and order a easy start cylinder for it if I can't get the #7 to work.

My baby ringmaster came out nose heavy and I had to add .5 oz of lead to the rear of the fuse. with the baby bee on it. I'm thinking that if I use the backplate that came with the stinger and a bladder mounted on the wing I can remove at least .25 oz from the rear and take the weight down to 4.25 oz. I'v been looking all around the house to find something to put the bladder in. So far it looks like it will be one of those travel asprin bottles
holds about 3/4 oz. of fuel. If all goes to plan I wil maiden it on tue or wed.


   

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Re: baby ringmaster line lenth?
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2010, 05:19:37 PM »
well I got it ready to fly now. The stinger motor has about 25 mins on it still not broken in yet. Its a bit of a fuel hog it runs 2.5 mins on a blackwidow tank.I think it will do better when it is broken in all the way the piston is still tight in the cylinder.The baby bee runs great on a bladder.Ran 15 mins strait on 1.5 0z. . Holds an rpm very well and starts ok.

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Re: baby ringmaster line lenth?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2010, 06:19:46 PM »
2-1/2 minutes on the Black Widow/Golden Bee tank with a hot front end is pretty typical.  The Texaco could get way more, but had a .063" dia. venturi and a head with extra fins for cooling.  It could run an 8" prop (real slow) for well over 5 minutes.  Couldn't power anything but a very light freeflight, though.
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Re: baby ringmaster line lenth?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2010, 07:31:52 PM »
yeah I figured it was about right, but I still have to run rich it wants to overheat if I lean to peak rpms.I'm running 15% nitro with 20% oil 50/50 mix with 5% more castor added. I'd prefer 25% nitro but I can't get it here lhs doesn't stock it. I'm running the baby bee without the extra castor and it's happy as can be.Cox international says the cylinder on the stinger isn't tapered but as far as I can tell it is slightly tapered. From the way the break in is going I think it will take an hour of run time before the cylinder loosens up. I don't have a tach but I'd guess it's running at about 18,000 with a cox 5x3 prop.I think it will do 20,000 or more when It's broken in. The baby bee is doing great I'm glad I never got rid of it I'd say it is turning at about 20,000 with the 5x3. I guess the original owner new what he was doing when re-ported the cylinder.It's probaly the best running .049 that I ever had.


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