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Offline Tim Wescott

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Prop Selection
« on: December 31, 2009, 10:34:36 AM »
What's a good starting point for selecting a propeller for a Cox reed valve engine, specifically a Golden Bee?  On the one hand I normally use 6x3, but that's because it's what I've always used.  On the other hand, I see a lot of comments that indicate that a 6x3 is about the most propeller you'd ever want to use for CL, and I suspect I should be going to smaller sizes.

I'm sure the real answer is extensive test flying, but does anyone have any suggestions for a good starting point for a big overweight (7.5oz) plane?  For a more svelt right-size plane (I'll be aiming for 5oz, I think)?

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Re: Prop Selection
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2009, 10:42:27 AM »
A lot depends on the type flying you do, as well as the plane.   The early days when 1/2A was all I could afford, I used the 6-4 top flite props or even the Grish.  The 6-3's  did not have enough pull for me.  I flew off an old discarded table with my stooge I made in the back yard where we lived.  Most people now a days like to hear the engines turn up rpm's and run 5 to 5 1/2 inch props of varying pitches.  The joy of modle planes is trial and error.
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Online ray copeland

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Re: Prop Selection
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2009, 02:57:45 PM »
Tim, i run 5x3 cox props on all my 1/2a cox engines, from sure starts to tee dee's. FWIW my Hyper Viper came with a 6x3 prop and pulled better with a 5x3, the instructions suggested this so i tried it. On Norvels i run 5.5x2 or 6x2 on built ups and 5x3 on flat wings,all run 25% Omega fuel. I'm not sure about a heavy plane with a cox, that may take some trials, a 6x3 or 5.5x4 may work better altho the HV is pretty heavy. If you need a 5.5x4 to try i can probably dig one up. The easiest help for a cox engine needing a little boost is more nitro, the Norvel 35% gives them a little more power.
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Re: Prop Selection
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2010, 10:17:48 PM »
             One other thing to keep in mind is that not all engines came with the same  porting. I have several Golden Bees  with the standard#2 Bee cylinder and several others with the dual port #1. In addition I've found this to be true with some  of my Babe Bees as well. The 1980's Babe Bee's came equipped with dual ported Sure Start cylinders. Not this this is going to have an extreme effect, its just might enable you to use larger props. I do prefer to let them run up by using 5x3 props but going back I was using Top Flite nylon 6x3's all the time with good success. I found the APC 5x3's to work exceptionally well but they do come with a bit of a price. I typically pay around 3.95 for them. You do need to make a bushing out of aluminum or fuel tubing due to the large hole in the prop. The other problem is they do break easy if it strikes the ground on landing. If APC stops making these smaller props were in trouble. They're really the only one left making the small stuff. Tornado had a terrific line of the white props as they were extremely duarable and they worked well. Its just that these are somewhat tough to find today as well. Ken

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Re: Prop Selection
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2010, 11:01:37 AM »
I flew larger, 11 oz, stunt airplanes with TD swinging a MAS 6 x 3 cut down to 5.5 with good results. 

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Re: Prop Selection
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2010, 01:33:31 PM »
Ken,

Try Sam's Stuff & Hobbies:

http://www.sshobbies.com/

APC props in that size range are typically $1.60 each. Don't hesitate to call about sizes they don't show, as they will order ones they don't stock.

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Offline John Crocker

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Re: Prop Selection
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2010, 06:47:36 PM »
I must just be out of the norm.  I know a lot of guys really like the 6X2 APC as well as the 5x3 Thimble Dromes, but the planes never seem to have enough "pull" for me with those props.  The planes I build usually run about 30" spans around 10 oz and I've had the best luck with Master Airscrew 6X3.5 's on 40' lines.  Plenty of pull an not too much speed like you get with the 6X4 (they also seem to "bog down")


Offline Larry Renger

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Re: Prop Selection
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2010, 08:14:23 PM »
My problem with prop choice seems to be the ability of the engine to handle the load through a complete competition pattern.  As such, our gang is hovering around the APC 5.5x2, 5.7x3, 6x2 props to unload the engines enough to not overheat in the full pattern.  We are NOT sport flying, so continuous, though lesser power is vital.  If you want to scream around sport stunts for 3 or 4 minutes, that offers a great deal more lee-way.  We need reliability, consistency and repeatability.  It took me a few years to understand the difference between the Cox tuning and the more modern engines.  Cost me a few models, too!  In sport flying, if your engine run goes south, you just fly level, in competition, you LOSE!   :-[
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