News:


  • June 17, 2025, 09:25:03 AM

Login with username, password and session length

Author Topic: Ame .049  (Read 3823 times)

Jim Roselle

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Ame .049
« on: July 25, 2013, 03:43:40 PM »
I'm looking for info on the quality a d performance of Ame .049 engines.

Thank you,
Jim

Offline ray copeland

  • 25 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 874
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2013, 07:27:57 PM »
Jim, I believe there was a broad spectrum over the years on the quality and the performance of the .049 ame Norvels, I assume the Norvel engine is what you are asking about . I have several and they all seem to run good, some I bought used and may have been abused. The only thing I noticed is even on the new ones I bought seem to lose their pinch at the top  a lot quicker than the .061 version which is understandable and performance went down slightly.   Still a great .049 engine and all of mine still run fine , depends on what you are comparing them to. If your looking for super combat engines, then the Profi and other expensive engines will win out, but for a relatively cheap 1/2a motor to run on pressure they are fine. If the engine in question is a Revlite model I say go for it I don't think you will be disappointed.
Ray from Greensboro, North Carolina , six laps inverted so far with my hand held vertically!!! (forgot to mention, none level!) AMA# 902150

Offline Andrew Tinsley

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 1345
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2013, 11:15:52 PM »
Very little that one can add to Ray's summary. The AME is an inexpensive, relatively high performance 0.49, be it one of the original AMEs or the later Norvel AME. They need pressure, as in bladder, don't even try them on a hard or clunk tank. The Big Mig version works well on normal tanks, but has lower performance.

Regards,

Andrew.
BMFA Number 64862

Jim Roselle

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2013, 09:38:57 AM »

Offline George

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 1468
  • Love people, Use things.
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2013, 11:36:00 AM »
Jim,

Looking at the pictures you referenced I think you bought a NORVEL Big Mig Startup engine. The hole between the mounting bolt holes on the one mounting lug is to hold the starter spring used with the nylon tank. Mine came with a spring, tank, and muffler. At that time none except the Startup had that hole.

You can easily check. The AME had three large bypass ports opposite the exhaust. The Big Mig had five smaller ones.

Running wise, there is no difference between the Big Mig and the Big Mig Startup. All of mine run well.

George
George Bain
AMA 23454

Jim Roselle

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2013, 08:00:26 AM »
Got my engine! Pre revlite AME, three intake ports one exhaust. Heavy pinch at tdc.




How do I remove the venturi so I can check spraybar orientation?
Can I run a surgical tubing bladder with this needle valve?
Any input is greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Jim

Offline ray copeland

  • 25 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 874
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2013, 08:10:48 AM »
Jim, i would try the engine first. Removing and reinstalling those venturi's can be a pain,the spraybar should be correct from the factory.  Yes it should be run on bladder pressure. May be easy to flood at first trying to get a good needle setting, i would try almost shut and adjust open as needed. Good luck hope you get it going, i have a couple on 1/2a combat planes that work well.
Ray from Greensboro, North Carolina , six laps inverted so far with my hand held vertically!!! (forgot to mention, none level!) AMA# 902150

Offline mike londke

  • 23 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1477
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2013, 11:23:02 AM »
I run some Norvel's on bladders and have found the stock needle can be a little hard to set. I bought some needles from Larry Driskall at Kitting it Together.They are made for 1/2a engines to run on bladders and they work GREAT. Unfortunately he no longer carries them. You might want to post and see if anyone has one they would part with.  Mike
AMA 48913  USPA D-19580  NRA Life Member  MI State Record Holder 50 way Freefall Formation Skydive  "Don't let the planet sneak up on you"

Offline RknRusty

  • 2019 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2687
    • My Tube channel
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2013, 01:36:44 PM »
I unfortunately have only one of those unobtainable Larry Driskill NVs. I made one for a Big Mig with a Cox 128tpi fine thread NV from a product engine. Texas timers sells NVs like this. A 5/32" tube fits into the spraybar hole on the back of the venturi and the NV can be JB Welded into the tube. I added a set screw just for extra grip.




The barb on the old Cox NV needs a piece of soft wire to hold the fuel tube on securely. The Texas Timers NV probably has a better barb.
Now that I think of it, I think it was you a long time ago that sent me that old Cox NV, Jim. A belated thanks. BTW Ken Cook pioneered that particular method. Needless to say, his is more elegant than mine.
Rusty
DON'T PANIC!
Rusty Knowlton
... and never Ever think about how good you are at something...
while you're doing it!

Jackson Flyers Association (a.k.a. The Wildcat Rangers(C/L))- Fort Jackson, SC
Metrolina Control Line Society (MCLS) - Huntersville, NC - The Carolina Gang
Congaree Flyers - Gaston, SC -  http://www.congareeflyer.com
www.coxengineforum.com

Offline George

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 1468
  • Love people, Use things.
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2013, 02:04:05 PM »
...How do I remove the venturi so I can check spraybar orientation?...


Thank you,
Jim

Jim,

Most, if not all of the pre-Revlite NORVEL engines had the venturi or throttle epoxied in. Although I have not tried it, some say you can soften the epoxy with a heat gun.

You should be able to remove the spraybar assembly and mark it for hole orientation if you feel it is necessary. I agree with the post above, try it before you make changes.

All of my .049/.061 NORVEL engines are CL Big Migs except one which is an .049 RC AME. If I remember correctly I stuck with Big Migs because folks were having fuel draw problems with the AME. Pressure is a good idea.  
 
Enjoy your engine.

George
George Bain
AMA 23454

Offline kenneth cook

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 1499
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2013, 02:12:55 PM »
               Heat will remove the venturi assembly and I've done this many times. I also get up inside with a needle file and angle the hole as much as possible to point down towards the crank. You can sometimes do this with a #11 blade in a Xacto. One thing you can do as well is to either try a Big Mig venturi or neck down your existing setup. I recently removed the venturi and installed a adapter into the case with JB weld. I drilled and tapped with a 1/4"-32 tap and now a Cox TD venturi can be used. You can easily and quickly change venturi sizes which can really assist the run for those that want to run suction vs pressure. Having a muffler with a pressure tap can work but not as well as the venturi mod. Ken

Jim Roselle

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2013, 03:40:31 PM »
Thanks for the input. The first thing I may try is a bladder with the fuel tubing stepped down to the smallest size between the filter and engine to regulate flow. I have time to think about it. I ordered a starter spring yesterday but after reading what Rusty went through starting his norvel for the first time I  may not mess with it till the weather cools down a little. Too damn hot to be on the carport fighting an engine right now :P

Jim

Offline RknRusty

  • 2019 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2687
    • My Tube channel
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2013, 06:32:42 PM »
Thanks for the input. The first thing I may try is a bladder with the fuel tubing stepped down to the smallest size between the filter and engine to regulate flow. I have time to think about it. I ordered a starter spring yesterday but after reading what Rusty went through starting his norvel for the first time I  may not mess with it till the weather cools down a little. Too damn hot to be on the carport fighting an engine right now :P

Jim
Yeah I wore my prop finger out until I put a Babe Bee head on it with 4 washers and it cranked right up. After that I put the Norvel head back on and all was good. A bunch of washers under the Norvel head should serve just as well.

Don't follow those stupid instructions about cold spinning it with castor to reduce the pinch, that can only reduce its life. I think the main reason they print that is to cut down on phone calls from customers who can't get them cranked. You'll like the Norvel. For an old Cox user, it's like a Tee Dee on steroids. I've never used an .049, but an .061 is awesome.

Rusty
DON'T PANIC!
Rusty Knowlton
... and never Ever think about how good you are at something...
while you're doing it!

Jackson Flyers Association (a.k.a. The Wildcat Rangers(C/L))- Fort Jackson, SC
Metrolina Control Line Society (MCLS) - Huntersville, NC - The Carolina Gang
Congaree Flyers - Gaston, SC -  http://www.congareeflyer.com
www.coxengineforum.com

Jim Roselle

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2013, 07:16:05 PM »
Yeah I wore my prop finger out until I put a Babe Bee head on it with 4 washers and it cranked right up. After that I put the Norvel head back on and all was good. A bunch of washers under the Norvel head should serve just as well.

Don't follow those stupid instructions about cold spinning it with castor to reduce the pinch, that can only reduce its life. I think the main reason they print that is to cut down on phone calls from customers who can't get them cranked. You'll like the Norvel. For an old Cox user, it's like
 a Tee Dee on steroids. I've never used an .049, but an .061 is awesome.

Rusty
I was going to use one of those adapters that let's you use a standard glow plug on a cox at first. Low compression but lots of fire. How much fuel did you put through it before you put the norvel head back on?

Jim

Offline RknRusty

  • 2019 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2687
    • My Tube channel
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2013, 07:41:45 PM »
I was going to use one of those adapters that let's you use a standard glow plug on a cox at first. Low compression but lots of fire. How much fuel did you put through it before you put the norvel head back on?

Jim
Just one good run, and I went back to the Norvel head. That break-in routine I mentioned above wouldn't apply to yours either, when I wrote that I forgot yours wasn't Revlite.

Mine are Revlite engines and you don't want to run those slobbering rich, it needs to come up to full temperature right away the first time it cranks, so the pinch is relieved by heat expansion and doesn't have excessive friction, and pretty soon everything fits up like it should. Before it cools, you might not feel the pinch, but it will come right back. And before the first run, don't be flipping the prop over, forcing it through the pinch. You might want to double check with Ken about the pre-revlite, but I think he'll say the same as far as getting it hot quickly. Once you get it up to full temp, then you can alternate between rich and lean, and they're like other ABC engines in that they don't need much break-in. Just a few run and cool down cycles. Let it cool with the piston at BDC. That may not matter, just one of my funny little things. Once you've run a few good runs on the bench, fly it and it will continue to get faster for quite some time. Those AMEs will turn up faster than the Big Migs. I have one Big Mig that spins an APC 5x2.5 up to 28.8k. That's after a lot of run time.
Rusty
DON'T PANIC!
Rusty Knowlton
... and never Ever think about how good you are at something...
while you're doing it!

Jackson Flyers Association (a.k.a. The Wildcat Rangers(C/L))- Fort Jackson, SC
Metrolina Control Line Society (MCLS) - Huntersville, NC - The Carolina Gang
Congaree Flyers - Gaston, SC -  http://www.congareeflyer.com
www.coxengineforum.com

Jim Roselle

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2013, 07:54:23 PM »
Thanks Rusty, I always appreciate your good advice. I plan on putting this on my 25' bosta wing when I get it built. 28.8k would be awesome!

Jim

Online Larry Renger

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 4053
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2013, 08:20:11 AM »
25 FEET??? Man, you must really get a LOT of power out of those engines!    VD~
Think S.M.A.L.L. y'all and, it's all good, CL, FF and RC!

DesignMan
 BTW, Dracula Sucks!  A closed mouth gathers no feet!

Offline RknRusty

  • 2019 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2687
    • My Tube channel
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2013, 09:35:57 AM »
25 FEET??? Man, you must really get a LOT of power out of those engines!    VD~
Haha, yeah, he swings some serious lumber on that .049!
DON'T PANIC!
Rusty Knowlton
... and never Ever think about how good you are at something...
while you're doing it!

Jackson Flyers Association (a.k.a. The Wildcat Rangers(C/L))- Fort Jackson, SC
Metrolina Control Line Society (MCLS) - Huntersville, NC - The Carolina Gang
Congaree Flyers - Gaston, SC -  http://www.congareeflyer.com
www.coxengineforum.com

Jim Roselle

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2013, 10:29:01 AM »
Haha, yeah, he swings some serious lumber on that .049!
You have to be willing to use extraordinarily high nitro fuel and go through glow plugs at accelerated rate. I also use 30lb spectra just to be safe %^@

Offline RknRusty

  • 2019 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2687
    • My Tube channel
Re: Ame .049
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2013, 10:51:08 AM »
You have to be willing to use extraordinarily high nitro fuel and go through glow plugs at accelerated rate. I also use 30lb spectra just to be safe %^@
Oh, I figured ski rope.
DON'T PANIC!
Rusty Knowlton
... and never Ever think about how good you are at something...
while you're doing it!

Jackson Flyers Association (a.k.a. The Wildcat Rangers(C/L))- Fort Jackson, SC
Metrolina Control Line Society (MCLS) - Huntersville, NC - The Carolina Gang
Congaree Flyers - Gaston, SC -  http://www.congareeflyer.com
www.coxengineforum.com

Tags: