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Offline Dennis Adamisin

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1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« on: January 14, 2010, 08:44:34 AM »
As someone who has run several gallons of fuel through Cox reedies, I understand just how much FUN it is to run them.  I also enjoy small airplanes and hope to do some indoor flying someday soon.  I have been working with Brodak to develop some new electric power systems.  They are now available:

* Brodak #BH-1830 Consists of a Baby Clown ARF plus the electric power system (motor, battery, ESC, timer & prop) plus a charger/balancer, it also includes .008 x 42' lines and a handle for $159.99.  This is the system demo-flown at the Brodak Fly-In last June, and at Randy Ryan's backyard cook-out in August.

* Brodak #BH-1832 is the power system, charger and battery tray (sans Baby Clown, handle & lines).  You can use this to power what ever 1/2A airplane you have on hand, the package sells for $109.99

* All of the individual components are also available separately.  On the Brodak website, click on "Electric" on the menu that runs down the LH side of the page then walk through the subsequent menus to see what's there...

The systems are designed to be very simple plug-&-play.  They should be great for newbies or someone who wants a 1/2A size bird available when the grandkids come calling.  (My Addie turns 2 this March, SHe's gonna spend a week with us this summer.  Its about time to start her CL lessons I think!)  Charge it up, plug it in, push the start button & fly...

The throttle/timer is pre-set and runs for 3 minutes - about the same as a Golden Bee.  The motor weighs 1/2 of what a Golden Bee weighs, so you have to be a little mindul of CG incuding sliding the battery forward a ways - it might work fine in a set-up designed for an OK Cub?  The long-nosed Wizard (Brodak remake of the old CG kit) balances easily, the Stuntman 23 (another Brodak update of CG kit) was a little tail heavy, I spaced the motor out then made it a soft mount.  One nice little advantage: I have a couple of the Brodak sheet balsa airplanes ready to fly with NO finish on them!  Saves a little weight, enables decoration with a magic marker.
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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2010, 11:16:16 PM »
What is the power level of this system.  After doing some research, for 1cc competition, I find that 145 watts maximum power output is equivalent.  Until proven otherwise, that is the limit we will use in our 1cc contests.  That applies to multi-motor applications where the sum of all motors is limited to the 145 watt level.  The thinking here is that, although twin .051 gas engines are allowed, the ease of use of twin electrics requires no advantage over a single motor.

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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2010, 12:22:25 PM »
It is probably less than 100 watts. A 2s pack gives you ~8V and these things are probably pulling less than 10 Amps (or 80 watts input power. Output is ~70% of that.

On the other hand they are turning 6+ inch props. On my Norvel true 1/2a 049, I am running cutdown 5-3 props )~4.75x3.

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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2010, 10:45:14 PM »
I am doing  a Mini Zilch -  300 EFlite motor etc..
 Iscaled it up a wee bit  to  150 squares-

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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2010, 06:08:29 AM »
Dennis,
I just tried the search function on the Brodak web to locate  BH 1832 (the power package). It said no match found. I'm sure it's there or will be soon.
The power kit includes a battery-charger-timer-speed control-motor an on/off switch?
How long does it take to charge the battery?
Are additional batteries in stock?
Do you think the unit would fit into a Black Hawk Models Hollow Log model?
Frank Carlisle

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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2010, 08:25:31 AM »
Frank,  go to the Brodak site.  On the left column click on electric.  Then step thru the pages.  The power packages are on the first page.  May get the 1/2 A package myself.
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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2010, 11:25:04 AM »
Thanks Doc. I think I'll make an electric Golden Hawk for our Michigan Musciano Contest. y1
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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2010, 08:46:33 AM »
Will it be legal with electric power?   I thought they were restricted to the engines of the day.  But, go for it any way and let our buddy complain again. 
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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2010, 09:26:13 AM »
IDoc-- I don't know. But the idea is worth doing
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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2010, 10:52:14 AM »
Frank,

I have to applaud Brodak for putting together a turnkey power package. That said this may not be what you will want for a competition setup -- I believe they list it as a "Sport" package. In any case you can pick up extra batteries at much less expense from China (Hobbyking.com for instance). All you need are the specs. I have had good luck with both Rhino and Zippy brand batteries.

In any case do give electric a try and feel free to pick the minds of the folks on the "Gettin All AMP'ed UP" forum here on Stunt Hanger.

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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2010, 12:20:00 PM »
Frank,

I have to applaud Brodak for putting together a turnkey power package. That said this may not be what you will want for a competition setup -- I believe they list it as a "Sport" package. In any case you can pick up extra batteries at much less expense from China (Hobbyking.com for instance). All you need are the specs. I have had good luck with both Rhino and Zippy brand batteries.

In any case do give electric a try and feel free to pick the minds of the folks on the "Gettin All AMP'ed UP" forum here on Stunt Hanger.

John

John,
Frank is a real old timer in electric---he was "been there, done that,..pfui....", and now back again. ;)

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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2010, 01:03:54 PM »
What is the power level of this system.  After doing some research, for 1cc competition, I find that 145 watts maximum power output is equivalent.  Until proven otherwise, that is the limit we will use in our 1cc contests.  That applies to multi-motor applications where the sum of all motors is limited to the 145 watt level.  The thinking here is that, although twin .051 gas engines are allowed, the ease of use of twin electrics requires no advantage over a single motor.

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Sorry for the delay in answering, I have been slugging the numbers around to try to answer your question accurately.

* The motor in the system is rated a a max 11A for 60sec.  The pack is a 2 cell lipo, nominally 7.4V but when peaked (like at the beginning of a flight) it is 8.4V.  Call it 8V * 11A = 88W system well under your 145 target.  However the system does not run at its peak!

* In reality it uses 320 mah over a 3 minute flight.  That equates to an actual power usage of about 51W or WAY under your 145W bogey.

* People who have flown the Baby Clown think that the system performs about like a strong reedy or maybe a TD.  Not very scientific, but probably just as accurate as the numbers game!  If/when Frank builds his new Golden Hawk it will likely perform pretty much like any of the other reedy powered Golden Hawks.

* BTW the larger system I put on the 1/2A Pathfinder is more like your target.  Using a 7x5 prop, and 1000 mah out of the 3S (11.1V) battery over a 5 minute flight (full pattern too), that works out to something like 133W - spittin distance of your 145W target.

Frank:
Brodak has the 1/2A size packs listed as #BH-1845 for $19.95.  I THINK they will fit inside a hollow log, the packs are .51" x .98" x 2.83".  On a GH I think I would cut a hol on the i/b side of the fuselage starting just behind the firewall and just above the wing then side the pack in that way, and let centrifugal force - and a patch of velcro - hold it in place.
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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2010, 03:18:02 PM »
What is the power level of this system.  After doing some research, for 1cc competition, I find that 145 watts maximum power output is equivalent.  Until proven otherwise, that is the limit we will use in our 1cc contests.  That applies to multi-motor applications where the sum of all motors is limited to the 145 watt level.  The thinking here is that, although twin .051 gas engines are allowed, the ease of use of twin electrics requires no advantage over a single motor.

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Larry,

We need to chat about this.

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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2010, 04:29:12 PM »
August 28th & 29th are the scheduled Kalamazoo Musciano Contest dates.
You guys can consider me comitted to building the Electric Golden Hawk.
I've been around a lot of electrics lately with the Adamisins, Rick and Bob all 100% converted to electric. The power package Denny set up for Brodak's will haul a hollow log model with ease.
It will be interesting to see if an electric model will be considered legal for competition at a Musciano Event.
Frank Carlisle

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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2010, 04:45:39 PM »
August 28th & 29th are the scheduled Kalamazoo Musciano Contest dates.
You guys can consider me comitted to building the Electric Golden Hawk.
I've been around a lot of electrics lately with the Adamisins, Rick and Bob all 100% converted to electric. The power package Denny set up for Brodak's will haul a hollow log model with ease.
It will be interesting to see if an electric model will be considered legal for competition at a Musciano Event.


Well Frank,
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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2010, 06:32:10 PM »
My thoughts exactly Alan.
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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2010, 06:38:45 PM »
Here's another data point for 1/2 E power.

I built an imitation Baby Flite Streak (see photo below) not from a kit or plans just eyeballed.

I use a Himax 2812-850 motor with an APC 9x6 pusher prop on 3 cells. It draws 8A or less at say 11 V. That's 88 Watts input. It flies very well and I can get 2 Two minute flights out of a 910mah battery with plenty left over I could probably get a third flight too but I never push it).

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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2010, 07:41:26 PM »
John,
Frank is a real old timer in electric---he was "been there, done that,..pfui....", and now back again. ;)

Sorry about that Frank,

Carry on! I guess you know what you are doing! LOL

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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2010, 01:14:52 AM »
no need for apologies John. We're all in this together.
I'm just along for the ride on the electric stuff. All the other guys took the time to figure it out.
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Re: 1/2A Size Electric Power Systems
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2010, 08:17:01 AM »
I am doing  a Mini Zilch -  300 EFlite motor etc..
 Iscaled it up a wee bit  to  150 squares-

Hello Dick, glad to see you took up the challenge since we talked at the field a few months ago. This is the group I was speaking about. I, and I'm sure others, will be looking for more info, and pics of your project.

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