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Offline Jim Moffatt

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1/2A Lap times
« on: September 04, 2009, 05:31:02 AM »
I am working on a 1/2A electric stunt plane and would like to know typical gas plane lap times on 40' to 45' lines.

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Re: 1/2A Lap times
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2009, 07:29:03 AM »
Jim,
Are you referring to a trainer, a stunt ship, a fun flyer or ????
FYI - For an aerobatic, aka stunt model, using a Norvel .061 and 48 - 50' x .008" lines, lap times are in the 4.2 second range for a 1/2A Pathfinder and under 4 sec for a RM (Ringmaster) 207.
As they say, your results may vary.
Questions? Please ask.
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Re: 1/2A Lap times
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2009, 12:13:15 PM »
Roger

I am flying with an electric Baby Clown and want to do overhead eights etc. Right now it seems to require 3.2-3.5 sec lap times on 40' lines. But this may be because it doesnt have flaps. I will try slowing it down to the 4 sec range to see what it does. But it is heavier than a gas palne and the extra speed may be required to compensate for the added weight.
Tanks very much for the reply.

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Re: 1/2A Lap times
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2009, 12:31:24 PM »
I don't recall if I already gave you this, but here are 2 links to my electric Baby Clown setup.
http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=8690.0

and

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=8841.0

Hope it is of some use to you.


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Re: 1/2A Lap times
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2009, 06:47:00 PM »
Alan

Your second video allowed me to time your laps. They were about 3.7 sec if I remember correctly. That helps a lot. Tonight my laps were about 3.5 sec on 40' line(s) and the plane flew stunts very well. I tried a little longer lap times but not enough tension for overhead 8s. Do you know if your Baby Clown was on 35 or 40' lines?

The threads were very helpful.

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Re: 1/2A Lap times
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2009, 07:05:28 PM »
Jim,
"Dont" slow it down just to get to my lap times.
You are on 40' lines, I am on 48'lines.
Your speed in Feet/sec (approx 71-78.5 fps) is almost identical to mine (approx 72 fps) on 48' lines.
If you feel you have to try a slower speed, lengthen the lines or reduce your prop pitch.
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Re: 1/2A Lap times
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2009, 07:55:39 PM »
Longer lines are the key.  With my .061-powered stunters I kept lengthening up to 52', finally settled on 48' as a good compromise.  Decent (read: slow) lap times while maintaining needed air speed.  I have a Norvel .049-powered one I have flown on the 48' lines too, it did OK but I think 45' would be more nearly ideal for the smaller engines. I like 4.0-4.4 or so laps, I can't get any slower than that and still have the needed airspeed.

Oh, a big wing helps too...200-250 sq. in. or so, more if you can do it and stay around 10-12 oz. total weight. One of my early LittleAxe versions pigged out at around 15-16 oz., it flew OK but required more speed to carry the weight. Lighter is better.
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Re: 1/2A Lap times
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2009, 09:06:47 PM »
Alan

Your second video allowed me to time your laps. They were about 3.7 sec if I remember correctly. That helps a lot. Tonight my laps were about 3.5 sec on 40' line(s) and the plane flew stunts very well. I tried a little longer lap times but not enough tension for overhead 8s. Do you know if your Baby Clown was on 35 or 40' lines?

The threads were very helpful.

I think I was flying on 35 foot lines. With a Norvel 049 I would use 42 foot lines (all 008's).

One thing to remember, with longer lines, you have to climb higher to get to the top, so if you are slightly heavy, then that might be an issue if power isn't what you need.

You might try what I did--if you have an issue with kV and battery voltage (not being able to get enough rpm)--- doubling up the props (if you can fit 2 on the prop shaft) may give you more thrust at a lower rpm --that is useful for climbing.


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