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Title: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Little on April 01, 2007, 08:51:27 AM: Hi All (Hey Roger V.!)

I have a USA-1 from this series ready to cover. I know, Roger, it has been years, but things get in the way.

I am using a Nrovel .061. I need about 6-6 1/2 minutes (no more) of run time. I really don't like a lot of laps after the pattern is over.
What size tank, and what fuel? I have Sig 10% Champion, will that be good?
Also, suggestions on props. I want to fly on at least 45 feet of .008 (more if possible).

TIA
Bill <><
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: minnesotamodeler on April 01, 2007, 12:12:17 PM: About 1.5 oz. of fuel, the 10% probably is adequate, I use 15% and read consistently that 1/2As need higher than that, but haven't found it to be a problem. I carry as much as 2 oz. capacity in some of my planes but don't usually use it all.

Props, I use APC 6x2 or 6x3, they also have a 5.7x3 that works well on the .061s. They do like to run a solid 2-cycle, high rpms are good. I've flown them on up to 52' lines but have pretty well settled on 48' for stunt, 42' for combat. I use the Galbreath head/Nelson plug combination and recommend it highly.

That's all I know from my own experience. As they say, "Your mileage may vary".

--Ray
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 01, 2007, 12:51:11 PM: Hi Bill,
Looking forward to seeing it finished, I saw the "bones" picture a loooong time ago! ;)
I used a 2 oz as I like the extra time to fool around. 1 1/2 oz s/b enough for a pattern as laps are about 3.9-4.0 on 46' lines if I remember the LL Stiletto and LL Genesis correctly.
I also use a 6x2 APC, 15%N.18% oil(80Syn/20 Castor). No need to kill it w/more Nitro, it does fine at 15%, never tried 10%. Have over 300 flights on this combination, same engine.
Galbreath Head, Nelson plug, two gaskets (aka head shims).
Launch at 23,000, depending on weather.
Anything else, ?, just ask my friend!
Missed you at the KOI.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Little on April 01, 2007, 01:38:34 PM: Thanks, Ray and Roger! I have a 2 oz. clunk, so I can draw some out. Also have the 6-2 &3 APCs. Would really like to see what it does on a 6-3 Tornado I have, but ain't sure if I will try that. Will make my lines up at 48 feet eye to eye, sound good?

Main thing it looks like I will have to do is get a Galbreath/Nelson head/plug set up. I have some 20% Cooper fuel that I could add some castor to..........

I am heading down to the Fortress of Solitude to do the wing covering and start on the covering of the 1/2A Snapper! ;D

Thanks, again!
Bill <><
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 01, 2007, 04:20:35 PM: Bill,
48' sounds good! May I assume you are using .008's? or????
FYI -
My 2 oz clunk is the cylindrical one. I only use two lines, fuel feed line and fill/vent line. I port the fill/vent into the small "Blister" and fill with nose down.
Pls check your e-mail.

NOTICE: It has taken a few years to get Bill to go "downstairs into the FORTRESS of SOLITUDE" and cover the "almost finished" LL USA-1. Please everyone, dont bother him until it is finished, or it might take another three years to see this little jewel finished.

LL~ LL~
thanks,
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Little on April 01, 2007, 09:24:51 PM: Hi Roger,

Got the outboard wing covered top and bottom before the wife yelled at me to come help her. I am off until the 9th, and this is priroity #1 to finish up AT LEAST the USA-1 Little Legend! 20 minutes in the morning and it will be covered. After a few gallons of coffee, that is! LOL!!

Bill <><
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 02, 2007, 07:06:55 AM: Quote from: Bill Little on April 01, 2007, 09:24:51 PM
Hi Roger,

Got the outboard wing covered top and bottom before the wife yelled at me to come help her. I am off until the 9th, and this is priroity #1 to finish up AT LEAST the USA-1 Little Legend! 20 minutes in the morning and it will be covered. After a few gallons of coffee, that is! LOL!!

Bill, you forgot D>K D>K D>K D>K D>K
Looking forward to seeing it!
H^^ Roger

Bill <><
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Peter Hess on April 02, 2007, 07:54:57 AM: Where can one obtain plans for the Little Legends series of planes. Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 02, 2007, 08:06:26 AM: Peter,
The Steve Buso "Little Legends" plans were prepared for a magazine article but never published or released.
I will check on their availability through a mutual (Steve Buso and I) friend and so advise on this forum.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Robert McHam on April 02, 2007, 09:27:47 AM: I felt I should know what this series was and I racked whats left of my poor brain to remember. I was going to ask but waited. Now I understand why could not remember. The series was not published!. Add to this I have not read every issue printed by all published.
I would like to know more about this series and maybe even get some plans.

Robert
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Little on April 02, 2007, 09:48:50 AM: I got a set many years ago. Steve drew a set of plans for 1/2A profile stunters that mimiced the 5 USA planes that have won the FAI F2B World Championships, hence the "Little Legends" moniker. Even signatures of the USA Champs with a "disclaimer"! LL~

There were originally drawn showing the VA .049 (I'm using a Norvel .061), and all use the same ribs, but wing tips, stab/elevators, fuselage side view, etc., are reductions of the Gieseke Nobler, Stiletto, Genesis 46, USA-1, and Impact to suit the "common main wing". All 5 designs on one sheet.

They are really very capable flyers, but the availability of plans was very limited since Steve suffered a serious health problem at about this time. He's recovered now, I understand and doing well, and a nicer guy you'll never meet! Maybe the article can now be published?? (hadn't thought of that!) That would be super!
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Gruby on April 02, 2007, 03:19:16 PM: To All You Guys;

Enough of explainin what they are somebody give Roger a hand findin out where they are. I just scored a VA .049 and I am already lookin for a home for it. I remember the series but lost track of it long ago.

"Billy G" H^^

PS "Billy' I watchin the number of posts under my name, what happens when I hit 400----Do I turn into a Turnip?
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 02, 2007, 05:30:59 PM: Billy G, (and Big Bear also)Sincere thanks for the suggestion but I believe I have what I need, ie contact w/S. Buso, to pursue this.
Just give me a little more time.

I had posted some more info., it disappeared in "CyberSpace", so here goes, again -
The LL's are:Nobler, Stiletto, USA-1, Genesis,Impact.
Due to variations in wing tips, fuselage profiles and horiz. surfaces, the specs vary as follows:
Wing Span = 32'-33 1/16", O'all Length = 24 1/2" - 26 7/8", Wing area = 188 - 198 sq in, Tail area = 39.6 - 49.8, tail - wing % = 20.2 - 26%

Stay tuned,
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Little on April 02, 2007, 09:55:44 PM: Hi Roger,

Since I had listed the planes, I am glad you listed the specs. I didn't have my set handy, so I appreciate your contribution in that regard! y1 I didn't even realize there were THAT much differences in the planes. But, I know Steve did a great job of recreating them in small scale profiles, and that would be in line with the differences in the full size models. IIRC, the Impact was about the longest, and maybe "biggest", but I could be off base there. Is the Gieseke the "smallest? I want one to put a good .049 in just so if we have a 1/2A stunt event, I can run an .049 I haven't had the plans out in a couple years. ;D

Thanks, Buddy!
Bill <><
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 03, 2007, 05:58:12 AM: Quote from: Bill Little on April 02, 2007, 09:55:44 PM
Hi Roger,

Since I had listed the planes, I am glad you listed the specs. I didn't have my set handy, so I appreciate your contribution in that regard! y1 I didn't even realize there were THAT much differences in the planes. But, I know Steve did a great job of recreating them in small scale profiles, and that would be in line with the differences in the full size models. IIRC, the Impact was about the longest, and maybe "biggest", but I could be off base there. Is the Gieseke the "smallest? I want one to put a good .049 in just so if we have a 1/2A stunt event, I can run an .049 I haven't had the plans out in a couple years. ;D

Thanks, Buddy!
Bill <><

Bill, (and everybody else!),
See Little Legend spec sheet below.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 03, 2007, 11:00:01 AM: Okay,
I have an okay to distribute the plans if I dont make money on the task.

However, I would feel guilty not being able to somehow thank/compensate Steve Buso for his efforts on the plans (even though he has not asked for same).

Question:
I ask those interested to let me know what they think adequate compensation per set of plans would be for Steve, after the cost of repro and mailing. He doesnot know I am asking this question and I would prefer he does not until we can present him with something ("IF" we do it!).

Whether or not I take on this task depends on some personal commitments over the next few weeks and the responses to the above question.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Gruby on April 03, 2007, 11:31:29 AM: Roger;

Easy one---------if those plans are half as good as what I saw, just tell me where to send my $20.00. OK

"Billy G' #^ #^ #^

PS---If thats not enough tell me OK
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 03, 2007, 04:16:18 PM: Billy G,
They are great plans.
Amount sounds fair, about what I had in mind, as it will allow something for Steve.
I'll let this run a couple of days then let you know.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Peter Hess on April 03, 2007, 04:57:41 PM: Twenty dollars for a set of all five planes is a bargain. Sign me up for a set.
Peter Hess
Canton, CT
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Gruby on April 03, 2007, 05:09:59 PM: HEY PETER HESS CHECK YOUR MESSAGES THERE IS A SURPRISE THERE .

"Billy G" H^^
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Douglas Babb on April 03, 2007, 05:16:40 PM: Sign me up, $20.00 sounds good.
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 03, 2007, 06:14:58 PM: Bill, Pete and Doug,
You are on the list.
Let's see, there are (5) LL's, should we each build a different one or is there one we all like or should we all build all (5)?
Decisions, decisions. n~

Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Gruby on April 03, 2007, 06:19:45 PM: HEY-HEY-HEY

I'm gonna build them all.

"Billy G"

PS--- Somebody tell Mr. Hess to check his mail. I just found out he lives 26 minutes from me. Canton is only 14 miles from Bristol. HIHI%%
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Robert McHam on April 03, 2007, 07:51:05 PM: Hey! count me in too. I think this is a fair arrangement to be sure.

Just let me know where and when.

Robert
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 03, 2007, 09:00:48 PM: Quote from: Robert McHam on April 03, 2007, 07:51:05 PM
Hey! count me in too. I think this is a fair arrangement to be sure.

Just let me know where and when.

Robert

Will do Robert!
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: George on April 04, 2007, 08:10:52 AM: Make that one more set.

Although I have never met Steve, I think he lives only a few miles from me, if he still lives in Tivoli or Red Hook, NY.

George
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 04, 2007, 08:26:06 AM: Okay George, you are on the list! :)
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: steve pagano on April 04, 2007, 03:32:29 PM: Hey gents. Count me for a set just let me know when and were to send.

I was working on 1/2a versions of Hunts genesis, a legacy and possibly a patternmaster all with 061's until i came upon this post ;D

Never herd of the ''little Legends'' until now. Sounds like they would be a really fun build!
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 05, 2007, 06:34:05 AM: Steve,
Added your name to the list.

Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Mike Spiess on April 06, 2007, 03:45:33 PM: Put me in for a set I'd love to build them. Now to find some motors.
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Little on April 06, 2007, 04:27:27 PM: Quote from: Mike Spiess on April 06, 2007, 03:45:33 PM
Put me in for a set I'd love to build them. Now to find some motors.

I am really out of my element when it comes to 1/2A (or thereabouts) engines!

The plans show the VA .049 (as far as I know I can't get them). I am using Norvel .061s. I am wondering about the ne Brodak .049 and .061. (??) I do not have a clue as to how the measure up to the VA or Norvel..... "Technically", they should be .049 powered to fly "1/2A Stunt".
Title: Re: "Little Legends", Request closed!
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 06, 2007, 08:08:57 PM: Okay Mike, you are on the list.

Item now closed for additional requests.

I'll go to the print shop early next week (have family company in town staying with us).
Will also check on mailing tubes, express mail or ??
After repro etc will advise as to where to send payment and mailing instructions.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Douglas Babb on April 08, 2007, 08:23:22 AM: I think right now the only engines readily available are the Brodaks and the AP Wasp .061.
Title: "Little Legends" - plans ready to ship.
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 10, 2007, 12:09:47 PM: Item now closed for additional requests.

~~I'll go to~~ I went to the print shop ~~early next week~~ (have family company in town staying with us).
Will also check on mailing tubes, express mail or ??
After repro etc will advise as to where to send payment and mailing instructions.
Roger
[/quote]

10 April 2007 - Repro of print complete.
Priority mail tubes obtained.
e-mail sent to all re payment/shipping information needs.
Note: Bob McMahon - check your PM for e-mail problem. [/size] [/size] [/size]
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Gruby on April 11, 2007, 09:53:01 AM: Roger;

DONE DEAL, SENT YOU AN EMAIL WITH ALL INFO.

"Billy G" #^
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Jim Thomerson on April 11, 2007, 10:59:57 AM: George Aldrich drew up 1/2A plans in two different sizes for his Nobler, Agwagon and Magnum. I saw these at an auction some years ago at the VSC, but did not score any. They are out there somewhere, several copies of each.
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Robert McHam on April 12, 2007, 08:12:57 PM: My money order is in the mail!!!

Robert
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 12, 2007, 09:14:10 PM: Quote from: Robert McHam on April 12, 2007, 08:12:57 PM
My money order is in the mail!!!

Robert

Robert,
Okay, ready to ship upon receipt.
Thanks,
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: George on April 13, 2007, 02:09:36 PM: To use the old cliche, "The check's in the mail". :)

Thanks,
George
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 13, 2007, 06:14:21 PM: George,
Okay, thanks!
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 14, 2007, 07:58:18 PM: There is a rumor of long lines for "mass mailings" to a distant Uncle (Sam) on Mon and Tues that might delay my going near the Post Office 'til Wednesday. n~
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: minnesotamodeler on April 15, 2007, 05:59:21 AM: Huh...wonder what that could be about.
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Gruby on April 15, 2007, 03:26:07 PM: First Roger;

No sweat here Roger take your time, I wouldn't want to fight that line either. LOL

Now you Ray;

LL~

"Billy G"
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 17, 2007, 02:30:38 PM: All requested plans packed and ready to mail.
Still awaiting some mailing info and payments for (3) who expressed intent to purchase.
If you changed your mind, please advise. If the check is in the mail, please advise!
I would prefer to make one trip to the Post office, not multiple trips.
Bill G., George B., Peter H., Bob Mc. You should have received an e-mail notifying you that I received your payment and mailing address.
Ralph W. - I understand yours is in the mail.
Thanks,
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Robert McHam on April 17, 2007, 07:52:38 PM: Gee! Thanks Roger!
Now...
I wonder who will be first to get theirs?!! Heh heh!

Robert
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 17, 2007, 08:00:49 PM: Robert,
Sounds like a "I got my stunt magazine, did you get yours post??" ;)
Hope to hear from the others in a day or so. I dont think it is fair to keep the rest waiting and may have to make an extra trip to the PO.

To all: With the extra time, I decided to make, and include, a separate copy of the rib templates so you dont have to cut up your plans. H^^

Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Robert McHam on April 18, 2007, 01:51:19 AM: Quote by Roger:
"Sounds like a "I got my stunt magazine, did you get yours post??" Wink"

Actually you are right! I can afford only small amounts at occasional times and this one is a coup for me.

I can hardly wait fvor thes plans and I want to thank you for making the ribs \seperate so as to keep the plans pristine! Such special treatment is unexpected yet appreciated immensly! A real treat to be sure.

Thanks again, Robert
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 18, 2007, 02:59:25 PM: I am sorry, I hate to do this, but -.
Background:
Responses re wanting the plans was quick.
I reciprocated and did my best to get the mailing tubes and all the repro completed so I could mail plans as soon as payments were received.
Most of you responded quickly and for this I thank you.
I then posted a request for info for those who had not replied.
I have not received any responses to the post.
Current situation:
I will monitor e-mail and this site for a few more hours. Lack of response this evening will be taken as a "no - interest" reply.
Summary:
For those that ignored the post re their desires, I am sorry, but I am going to the Post Office this week and will mail those plans I have been paid for or advised the payment is enroute.
It is the right thing to do for those that have been prompt.
I will not repeat the offer to distribute the plans.

I understand that we are all busy.
I believe I run my life efficiently and have always responded promptly to inquiries.
I am known to be intolerant of tardiness.
Again, sorry, I tried my best,
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Gruby on April 18, 2007, 06:59:34 PM: Roger;

As you probably read in "Shultzies" thread about me bailin H2O, I haven't been following to close the last couple of days. we got ahead of the water this morning. I have been in and out of SH all day and never thought to stop here. Take your time I got lots of time to wait. No appology necessary. Thanks for taking the time to do all this.

"Billy G" HIHI%%
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 18, 2007, 07:10:35 PM: Bill,
Thanks!

I know what you are going through re. water, been there!
Take care and dont over do it!
I hope to mail tomorrow, will let you know.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Mike Spiess on April 19, 2007, 01:27:23 PM: Sending money off tonight. Thanks for your work.
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 19, 2007, 06:33:51 PM: Okay Mike.
They are ready to ship!
Thanks,
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends" - Plans shipped
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 19, 2007, 06:36:03 PM: e-mai has been sent to those whose plans were shipped today. #^
Thank you! H^^
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Robert McHam on April 21, 2007, 10:33:55 AM: Woo! Hoo! Mine have arrived!!! <=

Thanks Roger!!! H^^

Robert #^
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Gruby on April 21, 2007, 11:13:09 AM: HEY-HEY-HEY Roger;

You guys know that I am straight arrow, you know how I don't--------I can't do this LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~

VD~ S?P VD~ I GOT MINE VD~ S?P VD~

"The One And Only G-Man" LL~ LL~ LL~ Sorry Roger I couldn't help myself
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Little on April 21, 2007, 11:16:14 AM: Quote from: Bill Gruby on April 21, 2007, 11:13:09 AM
HEY-HEY-HEY Roger;

You guys know that I am straight arrow, you know how I don't--------I can't do this LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~

VD~ S?P VD~ I GOT MINE VD~ S?P VD~

"The One And Only G-Man" LL~ LL~ LL~ Sorry Roger I couldn't help myself

I've had mine for years........................
VD~ VD~ S?P S?P VD~ D>K H^^
**)
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Peter Hess on April 21, 2007, 01:39:50 PM: Roger:
My copy of the Little Legends plans arrived today. They look terrific! Thank you for your effort. Now, to find the time to put them to their intended purpose.
My guess is that you have done a lot to get more 1/2A stunt planes flying and I am eager to hear from others who received these plans about their adventures with the Little Legends.
Peter Hess
Canton, CT
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 21, 2007, 06:29:03 PM: Quote from: Bill Little on April 21, 2007, 11:16:14 AM
I've had mine for years........................
VD~ VD~ S?P S?P VD~ D>K H^^
**)

Bill,
Shhhh! They might get there planes built before .........- ah, never mind! LL~ I had to do it!
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Little on April 21, 2007, 08:46:00 PM: Quote from: Roger Vizioli on April 21, 2007, 06:29:03 PM
Bill,
Shhhh! They might get there planes built before .........- ah, never mind! LL~ I had to do it!
Roger

I deserved it! **) **) **)

Mine WILL get finished!!!!!!!!! The wife has promised to go in the "Fortress of Solitude" tomorrow and help me clean up! That will get the fire lit........

Thanks for turning me on to these little jobs again.
Bill <><
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 22, 2007, 05:18:25 AM: Bill,
If I did not know you would take it in good spirit, ::) I would not have said it! ;)
Hmm, I'll have to speak with your wife.
My wife wont go near my shop area, says "It's all his!" n1

It has been reported that the requested LL plans are landing in various parts of the country
and sales of small balsa trees are increasing in these areas. ::) I think I'll have to build a "new" one to "stay up with the crowd!"

Take care,
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Douglas Babb on April 22, 2007, 08:42:44 AM: Sorry I have been tied up and have not responded. Money order will be picked up and payment will be sent tomorrow.
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Little on April 22, 2007, 02:23:43 PM: Quote from: Roger Vizioli on April 22, 2007, 05:18:25 AM
Bill,
If I did not know you would take it in good spirit, ::) I would not have said it! ;)
Hmm, I'll have to speak with your wife.
My wife wont go near my shop area, says "It's all his!" n1

It has been reported that the requested LL plans are landing in various parts of the country
and sales of small balsa trees are increasing in these areas. ::) I think I'll have to build a "new" one to "stay up with the crowd!"

Take care,
Roger

Roger,

The regular guys here can bust my chops anytime! I love all of you! ;D

As to the F.o.S., the wife and I have finished the task. At least all we can do today! LOL!! I actually have my building table and counters clear! Heaven Forbid!!!!! **) **)

I am on a mission to finish up a couple projects now which I was actually too depressed to do with the shop in the condition it was in..........

Joe at S&S sent my .008 lines out to me with no problem, just got to make them up. I really want to get teh 1/2A Snapper and L.L. USA-1 out to the field! I need some real old time fun. y1

Come on up to Huntersville once if you can! June or October. If June, stop in for a couple days before hand and see what's going on around here.

Bill <><
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Robert McHam on April 23, 2007, 02:23:08 PM: I have been studying the plans now for a few days and now I have a couple of questions at this point:

Where in the world do we find the spinners and wheels?

My favorite question is:

How does one cut the lightening holes in the foam wing cores? I see the note showing you how to further make the holes larger but can one cut these things with a bow and still come out good? What I am asking is technique. Tips? tricks?

Robert
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: George on April 23, 2007, 03:11:22 PM: Received my copy today. Thanks for all the effort, Roger. That extra copy of the ribs was a nice touch.

That note of endorsement by the "Big Legends" was cute.

I have the same question about the spinners and wheels. Especially spinners with different profiles. Apparently Steve Buso had the same question...with the note to send him one if you find them. ;)

George
Title: Re: "Little Legends" - Questions
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 23, 2007, 07:32:08 PM: re Wheels:
Du-Bro P/N 100MW are Mini lite 1" Wheels. I believe they also have a 1 1/4" Lite wheel. They are a little wide but can be "sanded" to shape.
IF you can find them, Peck Polymers made a Vintage Wheel, 1" Clear plastic hub, tire looks like an "o" ring. P/N PA099. They are fragile
re Spinners:
Never found any that fit the shape on the plans. Old Veco 1" spinners, if they can be found, can be used, though not the "design" shape shown on the plans.
re Foam Wing Coring - I bought my foam wings, cored, from Jim Pearson.

Any other 1/2A guys have a source for 1" or 1 1/4" Lite wheels for 1/2A planes? Please let us know.
Enjoy, post pictures when available.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: minnesotamodeler on April 23, 2007, 08:26:47 PM: I'm almost embarrassed to reveal that I get my 1/2A wheels mostly from toys at the $Dollar Store...4 wheels for a buck, not bad when you can find the right size. Last one I bought was a semi, so I scored 8 wheels for that buck! 12.5 cents each, can't beat it.

Some of them I have to drill out and sleeve with aluminum tubing, but that works great too.

My LHS carries nice-looking, light wheels in the 1" to 2" range, seems like they're 3 or 4 bucks a pair. I guess the RC guys use 'em for tail wheels.

--Ray
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Robert McHam on April 23, 2007, 11:26:27 PM: Quote by Ray:
"I'm almost embarrassed to reveal that I get my 1/2A wheels mostly from toys at the $Dollar Store..."

Ray, (and everyone else) I am a thrifty modeler. If I can find a deal like that I would be proud to say so. Many items of everyday use and other not thought about sources are fair game with me when it comes to making models. Like the teflon tubes used on carberator cleaner cans, brake clean and WD40. I would go to the nearest auto mechanic garage or tire store and bring a can with a label on it saying to deposit used aerosol straws here and ask if I could leave it for a while and they would gladly save some for me. Sure some probably got thrown away but I still came away with quite a bit for my own use. Those things are great for using when wire rigging a plane or using pull-pull controls.
I also use the little idler wheels in old cassette tapes for tension for same. They also make a very decent wheel hub of very light weight unless it is wider than you want for narrow wheel pants... These are also good for a pull-pull arrangement for ailerons on lightweight R/C models. Or if you are rigging a moving joystick or rudder pedals.

Now... How about those holes in the foam wing cores?

Robert
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 24, 2007, 06:38:40 AM: Now... How about those holes in the foam wing cores?
Robert
[/quote]Check your e-mail.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Mike Spiess on April 26, 2007, 02:31:14 PM: Got the plans I can't thank you enough for making these available. They're just great I can't wait but there are other things before these. HB~>
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 27, 2007, 01:42:48 PM: All payments received, all plans shipped. #^ #^
Enjoy and post photo's whenever. H^^
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: steve pagano on April 27, 2007, 02:02:04 PM: Hey guys just wondering has anyone thought of building them in full fuse. form? would it be possible/work? has any one tried it and do half A engines work when mounted inverted? most half A's i see are upright
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Robert McHam on April 27, 2007, 02:26:22 PM: Actually I thought of trying a full fuse version and of course mounting the motor cylinder down.
In thinking this, I began wondering how little of power one could use. Reason I began thinking this is because I presently do not own Tee Dee For which these are obviously intended. I do have a few Cubs and Cox reedies which are radial mount. I also am lacking The 1/4" X 1/4" hardwood for the beam mounts.
Since I did not know of these plane designes before this thread was started I did not imagine their actual size though these dimensions were posted.

I still am very excited and am going to build one way or another, several if not all of these planes! How could I not?

Robert
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 27, 2007, 02:28:27 PM: Yep, thought about it!
Have the foam core wings sheeted, it's off to the side for awhile.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Mike Spiess on April 27, 2007, 02:54:03 PM: Yes I thought of a full fuse for the Impact. And yes these little motors will fly mounted inverted. I had a Pinto with a TD .049 and a Norvel in it and they both flew great. As a matter of fact I learned the beginner pattern with it. H^^ %^
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Mike Spiess on April 27, 2007, 02:55:23 PM: Oh by the way bettween 10 and 13oz They will fly great.
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Robert McHam on April 27, 2007, 11:16:36 PM: Actually back in the day I too had a Pinto, which by the way, since it was a scaled down version of the Oriental could have a place as one of the little legends.
My Pinto had a Tee Dee .051 which I had bought especially for the job. I didn't have a scale and it never flew as I was young and covered it with emerald green Monokote and trimmed in gold. It felt so heavy and was indeed tail heavy and I simply felt that it was too heavy to fly as it sat and I hung a one ounce fishing weight on the prop and still it was tail heavy. Since I knew that I couldn't put a weight on it that far forward anyway, I simply gave up on it ever flying but darned if it didn't look great! It was a hanger queen.

I guess I should try to look for an affordable Tee Dee... If such a thing exists anymore...
Anyone got a super deal on one?

Robert
Title: Re: "Little Legends" - Laser cut ribs
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 29, 2007, 05:44:28 AM: I was asked if there is a source for laser cut ribs for the Little Legends. I dont know of any that are readily available, but I can ask some of the better known cutters, but first have to know how much interest there is.
Question: How many of you who obtained the LL Plans would be interested in same and how many sets would you plan to buy, naturally we need pricing before final decision.
If a reasonable source is found, we can share the setup costs then each procure his own ribs directly. ???
Just curious.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Peter Hess on April 29, 2007, 11:24:20 AM: Roger:
I would definitely take two sets to start with. In addition, I know of another person who somehow already had a copy of the Little Legend plans who would also like to have a couple of sets.
Thank you for undertaking yet another task that will bring pleasure and satisfaction to many.
Peter Hess
Canton, CT
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Mike Spiess on April 29, 2007, 01:30:03 PM: I would take two sets of them I got my eye on the Nobler of course and the Impact. I think it would be neat to copy the paint scheme from the build articles. y1
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Robert McHam on April 29, 2007, 04:21:06 PM: Count me as interested. It will depend dearly on cost. I have of course peen playing with the idea of cutting from foam as I have indicated previously but I do love a built up wing.

There are build articles floating around? This too would interest me, especially if any of the pics are in color. Are there scans?

Robert
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 30, 2007, 06:43:02 AM: Build articles? #^
I would also like to see same.
Have a source for the laser cut ribs, will wait for more replies.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Mike Spiess on April 30, 2007, 08:30:44 AM: I didn't mean to start a rumor about build articles for these Little Legends. I meant we should paint them the same as the origanal sized planes in their build articles. HB~>
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 30, 2007, 09:35:24 AM: Okay, you're forgiven.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Douglas Babb on April 30, 2007, 05:18:08 PM: Any price range given by your cutter.
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on April 30, 2007, 08:59:10 PM: No prices yet.
Want to wait until all have had time to respond, then I will contact them.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Robert McHam on April 30, 2007, 11:28:34 PM: I have not given up on the foam wings yet. It would be nice to have at least one foam and one balsa each to compare.

As for the foam variety It has been suggested to me to go the combat style and instead of cutting cores as per plans, to use super light foam to cut the cores and put a full length balsa spar at the high point of the airfoil and instead of sheeting with balsa, covering with Doculam and skewering the TE on for the flaps. This would be a lot less work and should be lighter than the plan design yet be quite strong.

Comments?

Robert
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Gruby on May 01, 2007, 05:42:16 AM: Roger;

Again, I'm late but have a good excuse. My #2 son came home from Afghanistan last week and my whole family is here, all 15 of them. It has been to hectic to keep up. Sorry. I will try to catch up, but I want to spend as much time with #2 son as I can, you understand.

Now --- Foam--No Way Lazer cut ribs -- hel# yes put me down for 4 sets for now.

"Billy G" BW@ BW@ BW@
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on May 01, 2007, 06:36:09 AM: Bill G. -
"Important things" first , family.
Please welcome your son home, from me, and extend my thanks to him, for what he did for all of us. H^^
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Larry Renger on May 01, 2007, 10:53:33 AM: Rather than a Tee Dee, which, although powerful, is a pain to get to run through the full pattern, buy an AP Wasp .061 from Hobby People (See the thread on the Brodak .061 vs .049 and "Norvel no more" threads about this engine). I have two, and both will drive a 6x2 APC prop over 22K on Powermaster 15% Nitro fuel with added castor oil.

They have a carburetor instead of a CL venturi, but a paperclip to hold the thing open works just fine. The engine likes a lot of fuel to start, but once it is going it is rock solid all the way through the pattern, running suction, not even muffler pressure.

And, it is inexpensive! You will probably pay less than for a used Tee Dee.
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on June 08, 2007, 06:26:10 AM: FYI
For those who ordered Little legend Laser Cut parts from Kyle (Tanks Hangar), he has received the wood and is ready to start cutting! #^
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on June 18, 2007, 08:06:03 PM: Arrived home from Brodak's to find my laser cut parts from Kyle @ Tanks Hangar.
Beautiful job! #^ #^ (PE**)
If you haven't done so, I recommend you consider ordering same.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Vincent Corwell on June 20, 2007, 01:42:54 AM: Please let us have some photos of
these finished planes ???

Vincent
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on June 21, 2007, 05:57:22 AM: Vince,
Not sure if you meant the parts or finished models.
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Douglas Babb on June 21, 2007, 10:15:16 AM: I recieved my parts from Kyle, the post office did their best to destroy the box but only got a corner of one piece of wood. Looked like they did everything short of putting it in a compactor while shipping it, mailman rang the doorbell then ran back to his truck and didn't even acknowledge me. mw~
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on June 21, 2007, 12:41:25 PM: Doug,
If any "pattern" was damaged, I can trace same for you from a good part.
I have a great mail "lady".
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Douglas Babb on June 22, 2007, 08:04:07 PM: Only broke a piece off where there are no parts, lucky me. **)
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on June 27, 2007, 08:05:57 PM: Just curious.
How many have ordered their Laser cut LL parts from Kyle?
Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Chris Brainard on June 28, 2007, 05:40:17 PM: I did. They look great!
Chris
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 28, 2007, 05:48:38 PM: Roger,
Been so busy with the "RM 1000" and now getting ready to start the "RM Extreme" I forgot all about it. Thanks for the heads up, will order Monday. Just put it on the top of the list of things to do. If you think the "RM 1000" was big, weeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllll the "RM Extreme" makes it look like a midget. LOL

"Billy G" VD~ VD~ VD~
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on June 28, 2007, 06:35:52 PM: "RM Extreme", hmmmmm.
Choosing an engine might require a trip to your local Harley Dealer, the John Deere store or maybe even a VW TDI! LL~

Roger
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 28, 2007, 07:07:04 PM: UH Roger;

I don't recall saying anything about AN ENGINE? LL~ LL~ LL~

"Billy G" VD~ VD~ VD~
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: minnesotamodeler on June 28, 2007, 08:14:08 PM: He's gonna fly it hisself, with muscle power...
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Bill Gruby on June 28, 2007, 09:37:47 PM: Ray;

Nope, thistime "AN" refers to the #1, who said anything about "1" engine. But this is a 1/2A column and we ain't talkin anywhere near .049. See Ya.

"Billy G" VD~ VD~ VD~
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: minnesotamodeler on June 29, 2007, 12:32:15 AM: Who was it, Howard Rush or someone, who pulled this same ruse, "the engine is ____ .25, true, there is no way a .25 will pull this plane, also true"--turns out it was a tri-engine if I remember right. Couldn't find the thread.

--Ray
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on June 29, 2007, 06:05:55 AM: I believe it was Bob Z.
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: minnesotamodeler on June 29, 2007, 08:33:24 AM: Maybe Zambelli, yeah...where's the thread I wonder?
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: Roger Vizioli on June 29, 2007, 09:36:46 AM: Ray,
The thread ??
Check the "Building Techniques" thread, "Progress on my Triple", RZ, 6/8/07.
R....
Title: Re: "Little Legends"
Post by: minnesotamodeler on June 29, 2007, 02:21:50 PM: That's it. Thanks, now it won't bother me.