Author Topic: "Little Legends" (Read 10234 times)

Bill Little · « **on:** April 01, 2007, 08:51:27 AM »

Hi All (Hey Roger V.!)

I have a USA-1 from this series ready to cover. I know, Roger, it has been years, but things get in the way.

I am using a Nrovel .061. I need about 6-6 1/2 minutes (no more) of run time. I really don't like a lot of laps after the pattern is over.
What size tank, and what fuel? I have Sig 10% Champion, will that be good?
Also, suggestions on props. I want to fly on at least 45 feet of .008 (more if possible).

TIA
Bill <><

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #1 on:** April 01, 2007, 12:12:17 PM »

About 1.5 oz. of fuel, the 10% probably is adequate, I use 15% and read consistently that 1/2As need higher than that, but haven't found it to be a problem. I carry as much as 2 oz. capacity in some of my planes but don't usually use it all.

Props, I use APC 6x2 or 6x3, they also have a 5.7x3 that works well on the .061s. They do like to run a solid 2-cycle, high rpms are good. I've flown them on up to 52' lines but have pretty well settled on 48' for stunt, 42' for combat. I use the Galbreath head/Nelson plug combination and recommend it highly.

That's all I know from my own experience. As they say, "Your mileage may vary".

--Ray

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #2 on:** April 01, 2007, 12:51:11 PM »

Hi Bill,
Looking forward to seeing it finished, I saw the "bones" picture a loooong time ago!

I used a 2 oz as I like the extra time to fool around. 1 1/2 oz s/b enough for a pattern as laps are about 3.9-4.0 on 46' lines if I remember the LL Stiletto and LL Genesis correctly.
I also use a 6x2 APC, 15%N.18% oil(80Syn/20 Castor). No need to kill it w/more Nitro, it does fine at 15%, never tried 10%. Have over 300 flights on this combination, same engine.
Galbreath Head, Nelson plug, two gaskets (aka head shims).
Launch at 23,000, depending on weather.
Anything else, ?, just ask my friend!
Missed you at the KOI.
Roger

Bill Little · « **Reply #3 on:** April 01, 2007, 01:38:34 PM »

Thanks, Ray and Roger! I have a 2 oz. clunk, so I can draw some out. Also have the 6-2 &3 APCs. Would really like to see what it does on a 6-3 Tornado I have, but ain't sure if I will try that. Will make my lines up at 48 feet eye to eye, sound good?

Main thing it looks like I will have to do is get a Galbreath/Nelson head/plug set up. I have some 20% Cooper fuel that I could add some castor to..........

I am heading down to the Fortress of Solitude to do the wing covering and start on the covering of the 1/2A Snapper!

Thanks, again!
Bill <><

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #4 on:** April 01, 2007, 04:20:35 PM »

Bill,
48' sounds good! May I assume you are using .008's? or?

FYI -
My 2 oz clunk is the cylindrical one. I only use two lines, fuel feed line and fill/vent line. I port the fill/vent into the small "Blister" and fill with nose down.
Pls check your e-mail.

NOTICE: It has taken a few years to get Bill to go "downstairs into the FORTRESS of SOLITUDE" and cover the "almost finished" LL USA-1. Please everyone, dont bother him until it is finished, or it might take another three years to see this little jewel finished.

thanks,
Roger

Bill Little · « **Reply #5 on:** April 01, 2007, 09:24:51 PM »

Hi Roger,

Got the outboard wing covered top and bottom before the wife yelled at me to come help her. I am off until the 9th, and this is priroity #1 to finish up AT LEAST the USA-1 Little Legend! 20 minutes in the morning and it will be covered. After a few gallons of coffee, that is! LOL!!

Bill <><

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #6 on:** April 02, 2007, 07:06:55 AM »

Quote from: Bill Little on April 01, 2007, 09:24:51 PM

Hi Roger,

Got the outboard wing covered top and bottom before the wife yelled at me to come help her. I am off until the 9th, and this is priroity #1 to finish up AT LEAST the USA-1 Little Legend! 20 minutes in the morning and it will be covered. After a few gallons of coffee, that is! LOL!!

Bill, you forgot
Looking forward to seeing it!
Roger

Bill <><

Peter Hess · « **Reply #7 on:** April 02, 2007, 07:54:57 AM »

Where can one obtain plans for the Little Legends series of planes. Thanks for the information.

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2007, 08:06:26 AM »

Peter,
The Steve Buso "Little Legends" plans were prepared for a magazine article but never published or released.
I will check on their availability through a mutual (Steve Buso and I) friend and so advise on this forum.
Roger

Robert McHam · « **Reply #9 on:** April 02, 2007, 09:27:47 AM »

I felt I should know what this series was and I racked whats left of my poor brain to remember. I was going to ask but waited. Now I understand why could not remember. The series was not published!. Add to this I have not read every issue printed by all published.
I would like to know more about this series and maybe even get some plans.

Robert

Bill Little · « **Reply #10 on:** April 02, 2007, 09:48:50 AM »

I got a set many years ago. Steve drew a set of plans for 1/2A profile stunters that mimiced the 5 USA planes that have won the FAI F2B World Championships, hence the "Little Legends" moniker. Even signatures of the USA Champs with a "disclaimer"!

There were originally drawn showing the VA .049 (I'm using a Norvel .061), and all use the same ribs, but wing tips, stab/elevators, fuselage side view, etc., are reductions of the Gieseke Nobler, Stiletto, Genesis 46, USA-1, and Impact to suit the "common main wing". All 5 designs on one sheet.

They are really very capable flyers, but the availability of plans was very limited since Steve suffered a serious health problem at about this time. He's recovered now, I understand and doing well, and a nicer guy you'll never meet! Maybe the article can now be published?? (hadn't thought of that!) That would be super!

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #11 on:** April 02, 2007, 03:19:16 PM »

To All You Guys;

Enough of explainin what they are somebody give Roger a hand findin out where they are. I just scored a VA .049 and I am already lookin for a home for it. I remember the series but lost track of it long ago.

"Billy G"

PS "Billy' I watchin the number of posts under my name, what happens when I hit 400----Do I turn into a Turnip?

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #12 on:** April 02, 2007, 05:30:59 PM »

Billy G, (and Big Bear also)Sincere thanks for the suggestion but I believe I have what I need, ie contact w/S. Buso, to pursue this.
Just give me a little more time.

I had posted some more info., it disappeared in "CyberSpace", so here goes, again -
The LL's are:Nobler, Stiletto, USA-1, Genesis,Impact.
Due to variations in wing tips, fuselage profiles and horiz. surfaces, the specs vary as follows:
Wing Span = 32'-33 1/16", O'all Length = 24 1/2" - 26 7/8", Wing area = 188 - 198 sq in, Tail area = 39.6 - 49.8, tail - wing % = 20.2 - 26%

Stay tuned,
Roger

Bill Little · « **Reply #13 on:** April 02, 2007, 09:55:44 PM »

Hi Roger,

Since I had listed the planes, I am glad you listed the specs. I didn't have my set handy, so I appreciate your contribution in that regard!

I didn't even realize there were THAT much differences in the planes. But, I know Steve did a great job of recreating them in small scale profiles, and that would be in line with the differences in the full size models. IIRC, the Impact was about the longest, and maybe "biggest", but I could be off base there. Is the Gieseke the "smallest? I want one to put a good .049 in just so if we have a 1/2A stunt event, I can run an .049 I haven't had the plans out in a couple years.

Thanks, Buddy!
Bill <><

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #14 on:** April 03, 2007, 05:58:12 AM »

Quote from: Bill Little on April 02, 2007, 09:55:44 PM

Hi Roger,

Since I had listed the planes, I am glad you listed the specs. I didn't have my set handy, so I appreciate your contribution in that regard! I didn't even realize there were THAT much differences in the planes. But, I know Steve did a great job of recreating them in small scale profiles, and that would be in line with the differences in the full size models. IIRC, the Impact was about the longest, and maybe "biggest", but I could be off base there. Is the Gieseke the "smallest? I want one to put a good .049 in just so if we have a 1/2A stunt event, I can run an .049 I haven't had the plans out in a couple years.

Thanks, Buddy!
Bill <><

Bill, (and everybody else!),
See Little Legend spec sheet below.
Roger

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #15 on:** April 03, 2007, 11:00:01 AM »

Okay,
I have an okay to distribute the plans if I dont make money on the task.

However, I would feel guilty not being able to somehow thank/compensate Steve Buso for his efforts on the plans (even though he has not asked for same).

Question:
I ask those interested to let me know what they think adequate compensation per set of plans would be for Steve, after the cost of repro and mailing. He doesnot know I am asking this question and I would prefer he does not until we can present him with something ("IF" we do it!).

Whether or not I take on this task depends on some personal commitments over the next few weeks and the responses to the above question.
Roger

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #16 on:** April 03, 2007, 11:31:29 AM »

Roger;

Easy one---------if those plans are half as good as what I saw, just tell me where to send my $20.00. OK

"Billy G'

PS---If thats not enough tell me OK

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #17 on:** April 03, 2007, 04:16:18 PM »

Billy G,
They are great plans.
Amount sounds fair, about what I had in mind, as it will allow something for Steve.
I'll let this run a couple of days then let you know.
Roger

Peter Hess · « **Reply #18 on:** April 03, 2007, 04:57:41 PM »

Twenty dollars for a set of all five planes is a bargain. Sign me up for a set.
Peter Hess
Canton, CT

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #19 on:** April 03, 2007, 05:09:59 PM »

HEY PETER HESS CHECK YOUR MESSAGES THERE IS A SURPRISE THERE .

"Billy G"

Douglas Babb · « **Reply #20 on:** April 03, 2007, 05:16:40 PM »

Sign me up, $20.00 sounds good.

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #21 on:** April 03, 2007, 06:14:58 PM »

Bill, Pete and Doug,
You are on the list.
Let's see, there are (5) LL's, should we each build a different one or is there one we all like or should we all build all (5)?
Decisions, decisions.

Roger

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #22 on:** April 03, 2007, 06:19:45 PM »

HEY-HEY-HEY

I'm gonna build them all.

"Billy G"

PS--- Somebody tell Mr. Hess to check his mail. I just found out he lives 26 minutes from me. Canton is only 14 miles from Bristol.

Robert McHam · « **Reply #23 on:** April 03, 2007, 07:51:05 PM »

Hey! count me in too. I think this is a fair arrangement to be sure.

Just let me know where and when.

Robert

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #24 on:** April 03, 2007, 09:00:48 PM »

Quote from: Robert McHam on April 03, 2007, 07:51:05 PM

Hey! count me in too. I think this is a fair arrangement to be sure.

Just let me know where and when.

Robert

Will do Robert!
Roger

George · « **Reply #25 on:** April 04, 2007, 08:10:52 AM »

Make that one more set.

Although I have never met Steve, I think he lives only a few miles from me, if he still lives in Tivoli or Red Hook, NY.

George

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #26 on:** April 04, 2007, 08:26:06 AM »

Okay George, you are on the list!

Roger

steve pagano · « **Reply #27 on:** April 04, 2007, 03:32:29 PM »

Hey gents. Count me for a set just let me know when and were to send.

I was working on 1/2a versions of Hunts genesis, a legacy and possibly a patternmaster all with 061's until i came upon this post

Never herd of the ''little Legends'' until now. Sounds like they would be a really fun build!

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #28 on:** April 05, 2007, 06:34:05 AM »

Steve,
Added your name to the list.

Roger

Mike Spiess · « **Reply #29 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:45:33 PM »

Put me in for a set I'd love to build them. Now to find some motors.

Bill Little · « **Reply #30 on:** April 06, 2007, 04:27:27 PM »

Quote from: Mike Spiess on April 06, 2007, 03:45:33 PM

Put me in for a set I'd love to build them. Now to find some motors.

I am really out of my element when it comes to 1/2A (or thereabouts) engines!

The plans show the VA .049 (as far as I know I can't get them). I am using Norvel .061s. I am wondering about the ne Brodak .049 and .061. (??) I do not have a clue as to how the measure up to the VA or Norvel..... "Technically", they should be .049 powered to fly "1/2A Stunt".

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #31 on:** April 06, 2007, 08:08:57 PM »

Okay Mike, you are on the list.

Item now closed for additional requests.

I'll go to the print shop early next week (have family company in town staying with us).
Will also check on mailing tubes, express mail or ??
After repro etc will advise as to where to send payment and mailing instructions.
Roger

Douglas Babb · « **Reply #32 on:** April 08, 2007, 08:23:22 AM »

I think right now the only engines readily available are the Brodaks and the AP Wasp .061.

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #33 on:** April 10, 2007, 12:09:47 PM »

Item now closed for additional requests.

~~I'll go to~~ I went to the print shop ~~early next week~~ (have family company in town staying with us).
Will also check on mailing tubes, express mail or ??
After repro etc will advise as to where to send payment and mailing instructions.
Roger
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10 April 2007 - Repro of print complete.
Priority mail tubes obtained.
e-mail sent to all re payment/shipping information needs.
Note: Bob McMahon - check your PM for e-mail problem. [/size] [/size] [/size]

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #34 on:** April 11, 2007, 09:53:01 AM »

Roger;

DONE DEAL, SENT YOU AN EMAIL WITH ALL INFO.

"Billy G"

Jim Thomerson · « **Reply #35 on:** April 11, 2007, 10:59:57 AM »

George Aldrich drew up 1/2A plans in two different sizes for his Nobler, Agwagon and Magnum. I saw these at an auction some years ago at the VSC, but did not score any. They are out there somewhere, several copies of each.

Robert McHam · « **Reply #36 on:** April 12, 2007, 08:12:57 PM »

My money order is in the mail!!!

Robert

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #37 on:** April 12, 2007, 09:14:10 PM »

Quote from: Robert McHam on April 12, 2007, 08:12:57 PM

My money order is in the mail!!!

Robert

Robert,
Okay, ready to ship upon receipt.
Thanks,
Roger

George · « **Reply #38 on:** April 13, 2007, 02:09:36 PM »

To use the old cliche, "The check's in the mail".

Thanks,
George

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #39 on:** April 13, 2007, 06:14:21 PM »

George,
Okay, thanks!
Roger

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #40 on:** April 14, 2007, 07:58:18 PM »

There is a rumor of long lines for "mass mailings" to a distant Uncle (Sam) on Mon and Tues that might delay my going near the Post Office 'til Wednesday.

Roger

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #41 on:** April 15, 2007, 05:59:21 AM »

Huh...wonder what that could be about.

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #42 on:** April 15, 2007, 03:26:07 PM »

First Roger;

No sweat here Roger take your time, I wouldn't want to fight that line either. LOL

Now you Ray;

"Billy G"

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #43 on:** April 17, 2007, 02:30:38 PM »

All requested plans packed and ready to mail.
Still awaiting some mailing info and payments for (3) who expressed intent to purchase.
If you changed your mind, please advise. If the check is in the mail, please advise!
I would prefer to make one trip to the Post office, not multiple trips.
Bill G., George B., Peter H., Bob Mc. You should have received an e-mail notifying you that I received your payment and mailing address.
Ralph W. - I understand yours is in the mail.
Thanks,
Roger

Robert McHam · « **Reply #44 on:** April 17, 2007, 07:52:38 PM »

Gee! Thanks Roger!
Now...
I wonder who will be first to get theirs?!! Heh heh!

Robert

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #45 on:** April 17, 2007, 08:00:49 PM »

Robert,
Sounds like a "I got my stunt magazine, did you get yours post??"

Hope to hear from the others in a day or so. I dont think it is fair to keep the rest waiting and may have to make an extra trip to the PO.

To all: With the extra time, I decided to make, and include, a separate copy of the rib templates so you dont have to cut up your plans.

Roger

Robert McHam · « **Reply #46 on:** April 18, 2007, 01:51:19 AM »

Quote by Roger:
"Sounds like a "I got my stunt magazine, did you get yours post??" Wink"

Actually you are right! I can afford only small amounts at occasional times and this one is a coup for me.

I can hardly wait fvor thes plans and I want to thank you for making the ribs \seperate so as to keep the plans pristine! Such special treatment is unexpected yet appreciated immensly! A real treat to be sure.

Thanks again, Robert

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #47 on:** April 18, 2007, 02:59:25 PM »

I am sorry, I hate to do this, but -.
Background:
Responses re wanting the plans was quick.
I reciprocated and did my best to get the mailing tubes and all the repro completed so I could mail plans as soon as payments were received.
Most of you responded quickly and for this I thank you.
I then posted a request for info for those who had not replied.
I have not received any responses to the post.
Current situation:
I will monitor e-mail and this site for a few more hours. Lack of response this evening will be taken as a "no - interest" reply.
Summary:
For those that ignored the post re their desires, I am sorry, but I am going to the Post Office this week and will mail those plans I have been paid for or advised the payment is enroute.
It is the right thing to do for those that have been prompt.
I will not repeat the offer to distribute the plans.

I understand that we are all busy.
I believe I run my life efficiently and have always responded promptly to inquiries.
I am known to be intolerant of tardiness.
Again, sorry, I tried my best,
Roger

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #48 on:** April 18, 2007, 06:59:34 PM »

Roger;

As you probably read in "Shultzies" thread about me bailin H2O, I haven't been following to close the last couple of days. we got ahead of the water this morning. I have been in and out of SH all day and never thought to stop here. Take your time I got lots of time to wait. No appology necessary. Thanks for taking the time to do all this.

"Billy G"

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #49 on:** April 18, 2007, 07:10:35 PM »

Bill,
Thanks!

I know what you are going through re. water, been there!
Take care and dont over do it!
I hope to mail tomorrow, will let you know.
Roger