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Offline C.T. Schaefer

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Middlesex Speed Results
« on: October 17, 2016, 08:25:30 AM »
Yesterday was our first of two speed and racing events for this fall. We had a good, if not large, turnout. An able bodied timing crew was headed up by Doug Benedetti and all flights were conducted with spec lines and fuel for both Perky and Fox .35 speed.
  First up were the Fox planes. Dave Edwards was flying an original Perkyish/proto style plane constructed of all wood and after some needle tuning flights was able to log a time. What held him back was a lack of fuel capacity so he had to whip the last 2 laps for a full 14!! Bigger tank on the way. We got Raul up next. This was the maiden flight of a profile style original with Al on the handle. It flew nicely and steadily. Al got the Blaster out next. It is a full bodied compact plane originally built at least 50 year ago. Al rebuilt it and it looks and flies great! There are still a few bugs to work out before it will be able to realize the full potential of his ABC Fox .35. I got to fly my other plane. It is like the one at The Brodak, ie. a Formula .40 style inverted , but a little different. This plane has the ABC and runs very well. Results: Schaefer  107.74
                                                      Ferarro    101.1
                                                      Raul          80.33
                                                      Dave         73
We missed Vigani and his Whipsaw!!

    Perky was flown later.... in a good breeze. Al flew the Ross Special for best of  113.18. Smoother air would have helped the speed. After his feedback and, since we were all a bit tired, it was decided to wrap things and try again on Nov. 6

 In between we flew our sport Clown event with 7 (!) entries. Jim 'The Glide' Gall showed up so we were able to fly 2 up races.  Here are the brief results. Dave 135, Al 129, Ernie 111, Raul 110, Jim Damarell (!) 98, Phil 87, Tom 146. Yes. 146 looses in our game! Our rules cap at 140 laps and not faster than 22 seconds. I tried to tame the Nova Rossi. It was not tame enough. Try again Nov. 6  In the end, we all won. Beautiful day. Everyone flew. No crashes!

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Re: Middlesex Speed Results
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2016, 09:52:27 AM »
OK, I noted Al's score and bumped him up in Perky Postal.  Still a close second place.

Explain "sport Clown".  I take it that it's not Brodak Clown.
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Re: Middlesex Speed Results
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2016, 05:43:29 PM »
Paul, We have been flying with these rules for some time now. Standard Clown plane, 52' lines', 7.5 minute races. The 'throttle' is 22 seconds/ 8 laps max speed and 140 laps max. A very good 'Brodak' set up can do 140 laps with a near perfect race. Any legal clown motor can be used but mush meet the race specs. Raul always flies a diesel and has also had a 140 race. Yesterday one of our guys got 111 for his first time out so he was happy!  Tom

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Re: Middlesex Speed Results
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2016, 07:33:41 AM »
I can't see how glows on 10% nitro can compete with diesel using unlimited fuel in a fuel capacity event.
I'm not planning on taking up that variation of Clown so it's not my problem, only an observation.
One ounce is more than four F2C tanks.  They should be able to do 140 laps with NO pit stops.
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Re: Middlesex Speed Results
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2016, 10:33:41 AM »
with all due respect, I tried it and it's not as easy as running glow by a long shot.

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Re: Middlesex Speed Results
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2016, 07:48:29 PM »
You may get more than 140 laps on a tank but if you exceed 140, you get a DQ. So, if you can put in exactly enough fuel to shut down at 140 laps you could win every time.  Without shutoffs, with wind, with traffic, with all the variables, this is exceedingly difficult to do.

One nice thing about the event is that there are many ways to try to hit 140 laps.  Glow vs diesel, speed vs economy, etc. .  Consistent speed, economy, and pitting is a must regardless of your strategy.

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Re: Middlesex Speed Results
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2016, 09:38:11 PM »
I can't see how glows on 10% nitro can compete with diesel using unlimited fuel in a fuel capacity event.

Fuel capacity is almost irrelevant. You have a speed limit, a time limit, a lap limit and no shut
offs allowed. Think about that for a minute and it will blow your mind.

Glow vs diesel doesn't matter. A glow can get 70 laps going 22 sec and so can a diesel. A glow can also make 140 laps with 2 pits inside the speed limit but, for the diesel to get 140 laps on one tank it would go too slow to make 140 in the time allowed and there's no real advantage to not pitting anyway.

You can do 140 laps easy inside the time limit if you are near the speed limit. You don't even need to start your engine right away or do fast pit stops. So, at some level, the game becomes doing exactly 140 laps.

Most do it by controlling the speed and being consistent with pit stops and crossing the 140 mark just as the time runs out. I tried to calculate and measure in the fuel on the last pit stop so it would run out at 139-1/2. Can you think of a 3rd method?

MM

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Re: Middlesex Speed Results
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2016, 07:39:10 AM »
It looks to me like if you are able to do a steady 22 seconds you will have 65 seconds to do the start and pit stop.
But if they kill you for doing 21.9 on the first offense you would need to aim for 22.5 to be safe.

Soooo, take a close look at your first half score and keep the plane on the ground at the pit stop until the time is right.  Thus, if you got 80 laps on tank # 1, you might stay down and run the clock down to, let's say 2:45 remaining.

You would need to develop a chart of laps needed to hit 140 vs time allowed.
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Re: Middlesex Speed Results
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2016, 06:35:32 PM »
The most reliable way would be to run right at the speed limit, get in a couple quick pits and at 140.5 laps pull full down and bury it.  But you can only do this once and you might get a DQ for unsafe or unsportsmanlike behavior!

I do it with two pits and watch the clock to time the launch on the second pit.  Hope for good luck with traffic and sometimes plead with the pilot to slow down the plane if it starts getting ahead.  Can get 135 reliably and with luck have gotten 140 on a few occasions.

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Re: Middlesex Speed Results
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2016, 06:55:01 PM »
Should be a rule about belly floppin' the plane.

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Re: Middlesex Speed Results
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2016, 06:21:25 PM »
I take it shut offs are not allowed. S?P
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Re: Middlesex Speed Results
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2016, 06:37:54 PM »
Too easy.
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Re: Middlesex Speed Results
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2016, 06:45:03 AM »
Right. No shut offs. As I mentioned before, the LA .15 is almost the perfect motor for this event but it is lots of fun working with other combo's which are allowed. Examples: Conquest .15, Nova Rossi .15, Moki, Enya, Fox, Nova Rossi .12, numerous diesels, etc.
    Please note that we are not looking to promote this event elsewhere but it is working for us and even at 'only' 22 seconds our available pilot pool is shrinking.   TS

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Re: Middlesex Speed Results
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2016, 08:24:33 AM »
140 laps with an LA 15 is tough to do on grass.   I think with grass costs you 2-to-3 laps per tank.  On pavement the pilot can smoke into the pit every time.  You need to come in soft on grass.

If I did that event I would try an OS CVA 15.
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