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Offline Motorman

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Re: Swing Weight Carbs in Perky
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2017, 06:49:01 AM »
I think the Speed SIG is in the drivers seat for Perky rules.

I disagree with their allowance of other-than-vertical engine mounting, but I have no power to change the rule.  The side mounting opens the door to flyweight carbs.

Also, the Racing SIG was remiss in failing to ban this trick in slow rat and other "tamed-down" racing events.  But they let it slide, thereby nullifying the effect of the suction rule.
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Re: Swing Weight Carbs in Perky
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2017, 05:38:12 PM »
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Also, the Racing SIG was remiss in failing to ban this trick in slow rat and other "tamed-down" racing events.  But they let it slide, thereby nullifying the effect of the suction rule.

As is so often the case, Paul, you are full of  ....

Let's take the events, one by one.

AMA events: Only Slow Rat is dictated to be a "suction" event and the rules clearly state (for those who will read them):

Pressure fuel systems are not allowed with the exception that the fuel tank
vent tubes may be directed into the airstream. The engine must have a
fixed size (non-adjustable) choke area venture. Engines equipped with
factory type RC throttles or carburetors must have the variable intake
portion of the carburetor locked in position throughout the flight.


I have made bold the pertinent words.

For the  NCLRA events:

Fox Race requires box-stock engines. I am relatively certain that Fox did not produce a stunt 35 with a swing-weight carburetor.

Super Slow Rat clearly disallows a swing-weight carburetor. The rules read (also if one would actually READ them):
There are no restrictions on venturis or needle valves other than venturis must not be of the swing-weight type.

Quickie Rat specifies the maximum venturi diameter which inherently does not allow a swing-weight carburetor.

The other NCLRA events are not "suction only" events.


That leads to the various local rules, most notable currently is the Dallas Sportsman Goodyear, where the rules specify the venturi configuration for the ASP/Magnum engines, and which require a stock/production engine otherwise.

That is, if one is willing and able to READ the rules.
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Offline Ken Burdick

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Re: Swing Weight Carbs in Perky
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2017, 09:44:37 AM »
the good news is now you have something to complain about and you didn't even have to fly it.
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Re: Swing Weight Carbs in Perky
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2017, 11:30:00 AM »
I doing my best steer clear of rule-making on Perky & Fox Speed.  I try let NASS & the St Louis club control the rules on a global basis.

I DID create the rules for the sportsman class and with one exception everybody stayed within the intent.  When somebody finds the crack in the rules I let him have ONE win, then patch the rule for the future.  

We had a 15 MPH gap between first & second place this year.  If you're building for next year, copy second place.  
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Re: Swing Weight Carbs in Perky
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2017, 08:16:59 AM »

 I don't think u should put it on the COMPETATORS when u were told at the very beginning that the rules were tooo vague . Dave and Rick were two of 3 running K&B's only one ran well enough to place, on one of the biggest planes entered,a  Circus King. might have been faster on the clown that placed 3rd.
 in the spirit of competition we gave the winning Rev/
_Up 8/8 to the 3rd place team to use and I believe it was what they used to place 3rd.
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Re: Swing Weight Carbs in Perky
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2017, 10:49:32 AM »
The winner is welcome to his prize in 2017.  No compliant from me. 

Just like Andy Granitelli with his 1966 turbo car.  He had one year to beat the system, then they tightened-up.
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Re: Swing Weight Carbs in Perky
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2017, 11:29:06 AM »
The winner is welcome to his prize in 2017.  No compliant from me. 

Just like Andy Granitelli with his 1966 turbo car.  He had one year to beat the system, then they tightened-up.

So what was the "ringer"?
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Re: Swing Weight Carbs in Perky
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2017, 03:04:43 PM »
full size Circus master with a 1972 K&B 35
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Re: Swing Weight Carbs in Perky
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2017, 08:30:02 PM »
 I thought the clown with the Fox 35 stunt on it was cool. I should have  loaned him my engine. ;)
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Re: Swing Weight Carbs in Perky
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2017, 08:01:33 AM »
is it stock??
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