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Offline Chris Fretz

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Crystal Clear
« on: March 30, 2017, 10:30:29 AM »
When you paint your clear top coat do you guys use Clear or Crystal Clear? Last time I was at Brodaks hobby shop I saw the Crystal Clear.
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Re: Crystal Clear
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2017, 02:03:56 PM »
For what it is worth, this is my experience with it.  I have used the Brodak Crystal Clear for topcoat because I wanted "clear", not something with amber tint that might look yellowish.  The Brodak Crystal Clear is "clear" with no tint.  The only issue I have had with it is that it has very little, if any, resistance to fuel.  My fuel resistance tests were not that extensive.  All I did was apply the clear to scrap pieces and then splashed raw fuel on it.  If I did not wipe off the fuel almost immediately, there was a dull blemish.

One plane has a dull streak on the bottom where fuel dripped and ran down.

The Randolph non-tautening clear appears to have more fuel resistance.  Not fuel proof, but more resistant than the Brodak Crystal Clear.  Raw fuel did not produce the almost immediate dull blemish but over time even the Randolph clear would most likely give way to the fuel.

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Re: Crystal Clear
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2017, 04:45:44 PM »
How long did you let the dope set before fueling plane/samples?   I know that I have some clear that is still good, but it was several weeks or more before fuel ever got to the surface when I would finally fly the planes.   
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Re: Crystal Clear
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2017, 05:36:17 PM »
One test piece had been on the shelf for maybe six months.  After dripping fuel on it, and letting it sit for 30 seconds or so, wiping it off also took the gloss.  In some spots, it had a satin finish.  Other places it was dull.  I brushed on only one coat.  Maybe more coats would hold up better.

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Re: Crystal Clear
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2017, 08:34:43 PM »
I use Brodak Crystal clear, but on the front end starting at the LE, I also add Lustrekote crystal clear for fuel proofing. It's pretty bulletproof to all the solvents we use, from nitromethane to acetone and alcohol, and gets along fine with dope. The contents are similar. Just don't get too heavy-handed or it'll crackle after a couple of years.
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Re: Crystal Clear
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2017, 02:18:46 AM »
I picked up some Crystal Clear yesterday, I'll have to give it a try. I was pondering trying Sparkys Urathane on the nose for fuel proofing. My favorite local hobby shop is closing so now I don't know where I'm going to get fuel at. I was used to Omega, but can't find anyone that will carry it.  No one carries lusterkote around here now either. Now the closest hobby shop is an hour away which sucks!
I'll have to try Brodaks fuel and see how it works,  not to mention now fuel is a lot more expensive than the Omega I was getting. It's a shame so many local stores close up because of the internet.
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Re: Crystal Clear
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2017, 02:23:22 AM »
Solvent based urethane is extremely fuel resistant. I've used Minwax a lot of times with good success.
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Re: Crystal Clear
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2017, 05:32:43 AM »
Solvent based urethane is extremely fuel resistant. I've used Minwax a lot of times with good success.
I think Sparky uses a Automotive Urethane but not sure. I think he said in one of the hangouts that he uses dope thinner instead of the normal thinner for Urethane. I assume he still uses the hardner but not really sure .
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Re: Crystal Clear
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2017, 10:43:17 PM »
Chris;

Use this stuff, totaly fuel proof ( great when using 65% nitro fuel)
high gloss clear

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Re: Crystal Clear
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2017, 06:23:00 AM »
The Brodak Crystal Clear is not fuel resistant no matter how long you let it cure.  It does polish out to a brilliant shine and does not yellow, but raw fuel will etch an area leaving it dull.  These marks are even difficult to remove by wet sanding with 2000 grit and polishing.  I've used it on several planes and I'm planning on using it on my current plane, but I think I will shoot the nose with a 2K two part auto clear.

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Re: Crystal Clear
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2017, 03:03:45 PM »
Chris;

Use this stuff, totaly fuel proof ( great when using 65% nitro fuel)
high gloss clear

Carl

http://www.repaintsupply.com/spraymax-3680061-2k-urethane-clear-coat-aerosol-p3685.html
That's pretty interesting Carl. Not a bad price too! That's weird the guy in the video says it's not Urathane though.

Are you putting it over top a dope finish?

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Re: Crystal Clear
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2017, 03:05:40 PM »
The Brodak Crystal Clear is not fuel resistant no matter how long you let it cure.  It does polish out to a brilliant shine and does not yellow, but raw fuel will etch an area leaving it dull.  These marks are even difficult to remove by wet sanding with 2000 grit and polishing.  I've used it on several planes and I'm planning on using it on my current plane, but I think I will shoot the nose with a 2K two part auto clear.

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