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Re: World Champs Australia
« Reply #50 on: May 07, 2016, 12:32:56 PM »
I think it is great they have a contest before the worlds to give those wanting to compete to warm up before the FAI Worlds Champs.    H^^

I think it is standard practice for a lot of WC comps. I know that they do this for sailplane's F3B (multi-task winch launched) and also F3F (time trial slope racing).
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« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2016, 06:17:45 PM »
Just curious, do they use the same judges for the warm up event as for the Championship?  If so, are they allowed to study/review the results?  I know doing so would fly in the face of the "logic" of the US Nats procedures and judges' instructions re reviewing posted scores prior to the completion of a competition.

Also, did I miss a post explaining why the three flight finals weren't flown?  Weather?

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« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2016, 08:21:17 PM »
So, the World Cup is a pre-World Championship contest? If so, is that just an Australian special event, or is this how all the World contests work?
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« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2016, 10:55:13 PM »
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Re: World Champs Australia
« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2016, 11:22:52 PM »
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Just curious, do they use the same judges for the warm up event as for the Championship?  If so, are they allowed to study/review the results? 

Good questions, Ted - no idea of the answers though. I had a look at a few of the scoresheets, and it was apparent that one of the judges was scoring consistently up to 100 points below one of the others. The third was generally right in the middle, and thus pretty close to the overall average score. No criticism intended, I was just surprised at the size of the spread.

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Also, did I miss a post explaining why the three flight finals weren't flown?  Weather?

No, I think the results page is misleading, and it was only ever meant to be a 2-round competition. The weather's actually been pretty good, apart from the light & fluky winds and Mr Walker getting drizzled on. (Pretty sure he was the only one, at least while I was there). The outlook for next week seems really good.

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Sounds like Orestes is definitely on his "game".

I didn't see the first round, but a couple of friends I spoke to made particular mention of how well Orestes flew, and thought he might've been a little unlucky not to have been leading after round 1.

Good luck to everyone for next week!

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Re: World Champs Australia
« Reply #55 on: May 08, 2016, 05:35:53 AM »
No round 3 and no flyoff.

Pathetic... some of us actually spent money to come over.

Imagine that. World cup rules are in thr FAI handbook.. but for the most part they were ignored.

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« Reply #56 on: May 08, 2016, 06:20:31 AM »
I was told they could only do two rounds because they allowed more entries than a normal world cup.
There simply was not time enough to do three rounds.

It was much better than the F2D world cup debacle in Landres prior to the world champs there.
They had a huge entry, and only completed two rounds. So a total waste of time for everyone involved.

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« Reply #57 on: May 08, 2016, 06:59:14 AM »
Rules state. Judges can only see a max of 50 flights per day.

It also says you must give all competition entrants 3 rounds and take the top 15 for a flyoff.

So we adhere to some that dont exist and make up new ones...

Its ok.. i wasnt the only one who complained.
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« Reply #58 on: May 08, 2016, 07:37:35 AM »
That would mean for a two day contest they would have been limited to 33 pilots, they chose to go to 40 pilots and fly two rounds.
Had they opted for a three day contest we might have had to fly on Saturday, and the weather was horrible, unflyable.

Anyway, every thread needs pictures so here are a couple  :)
First one is a random practice circle shot from a few days ago, PW's model in the foreground.
Second one is outside of processing today. foreground models are Team Canada.
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Re: World Champs Australia
« Reply #59 on: May 08, 2016, 11:10:38 AM »
I am sure this came up last time but can someone tell me the point of the world cup contest? I dont understand why they have a world cup contest and then the world championships??

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Re: World Champs Australia
« Reply #60 on: May 08, 2016, 12:18:51 PM »
  Me too Doug? Have they had these cup contests before?

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« Reply #61 on: May 08, 2016, 12:38:26 PM »
What little I know of it,  it's been there for a while.  The main difference I believe is that's it's open to all comers unlike the World Champs where just selected teams can enter.  You'll notice some of our U.S.  guys who aren't team members flew.  Other than that it's great practice for the 'big show'.

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Re: World Champs Australia
« Reply #62 on: May 08, 2016, 02:46:29 PM »
Yep, still invisible.
The pre wc contest is both a warm up for the team guys, and a way to give back to the support guys on the teams.
As I posted earlier, they've been doing this a while in other fai activities.
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Re: World Champs Australia
« Reply #63 on: May 08, 2016, 03:41:00 PM »
I am sure this came up last time but can someone tell me the point of the world cup contest? I dont understand why they have a world cup contest and then the world championships??


Hi Doug,

A summary from the FAI website:

World Cups are a series of international competitions held during the competition flying season.  The season generally begins in February and ends in October in any year. A World Cup is held each year in various categories including FF, all of the  four FAI CL events, and various RC events

The World Cups take place in various countries and in various classes. Essentially, a competitor may enter as many World Cups in his particular class as he wishes but only a limited number may count for classification purposes.
Each category of World Cup has a Coordinator who regularly publishes the results during the season. There is a “leader board” for each of the classes which is also updated regularly. The final results and rankings are published at the end of the season. At the annual meeting of the FAI Aeromodelling Commission held in Lausanne, Switzerland, each World Cup winner is presented with an FAI medal and diploma. The second and third placed competitors are presented with an FAI diploma.

At the World Championships, the host country can choose to run a World Cup competition prior to the start of the Championships.  For F2B, during the recent past, the host countries have and have not held a World Cup competition.  At the 2014 World Championships in Poland, there was an F2B World Cup competition.  Two members from our F2B team (Howard Rush and Kenny Stevens) entered the event (which was limited to 33 entries if I remember right).  Registration was first come, first served.  Needless to say, there was a lengthy back-up list.  (Orestes did not make the registration cut off.)  If I remember right, Howard placed a very credible 5th place and Kenny had lost his airplane at the time the contest was run.

There are reports each year in the foreign model press about the F2B World Cup series.  Most contests are held in Europe, but I believe Brazil has hosted at least one in the recent past.

Hope for fair weather to our team members in the World Championship competition that starts tomorrow, Monday May 9.

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Re: World Champs Australia
« Reply #64 on: May 08, 2016, 05:56:48 PM »
My question still remains unanswered.  Have the WC judges already judged the World Cup participating team members and digested the outcome for future reference or were other judges utilized and the outcome withheld from the WC judges conduct of the World Championships so as to retain the greatest degree of objectivity possible for the World Championships?

Should be easily determined one would think.

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« Reply #65 on: May 08, 2016, 06:09:41 PM »


  a few years ago My pilot Jason and i were invited to KIEV to fly F2C . in their world cup.  we were treated like long lost Brothers it was a great weekend
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« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2016, 06:11:43 PM »
At the last two W-Champs I went to there were three rounds with no fly-off. (For the World Cup.)

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« Reply #67 on: May 08, 2016, 06:23:07 PM »
     Thanks for the info Keith, and thanks to you Ted- I have similar concerns too!
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« Reply #68 on: May 09, 2016, 05:54:39 AM »
My question still remains unanswered.  Have the WC judges already judged the World Cup participating team members and digested the outcome for future reference or were other judges utilized and the outcome withheld from the WC judges conduct of the World Championships so as to retain the greatest degree of objectivity possible for the World Championships?

Should be easily determined one would think.

The three judges in the world cup are among the six judges for the world champs.

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« Reply #69 on: May 09, 2016, 06:37:16 AM »
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« Reply #70 on: May 11, 2016, 07:12:59 AM »
For what it is worth, looks like Igor nailed first place and the US team were 3rd, 4th & 5th!
http://www.cl-wch2016per.org//Results/index.php
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« Reply #71 on: May 11, 2016, 07:17:22 AM »
For what it is worth, looks like Igor nailed first place and the US team were 3rd, 4th & 5th!
http://www.cl-wch2016per.org//Results/index.php

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« Reply #72 on: May 11, 2016, 07:19:08 AM »
For what it is worth, looks like Igor nailed first place and the US team were 3rd, 4th & 5th!
http://www.cl-wch2016per.org//Results/index.php




Yes, Igor edged out Richie by 0.20 points for first place for the QUALIFICATION rounds. The top 15 now have their scores erased and start the finals rounds.


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« Reply #73 on: May 11, 2016, 07:19:57 AM »
Oops! That was the elimination rounds. Fly off: still to come???
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« Reply #74 on: May 11, 2016, 07:31:30 AM »
In case you all don't know who Russell Bond is (trust me, no relation to James) the attached picture shows him preparing his next victim for his next prank. Poor Orestes is unaware of that devil. Ask Igor who RB is. He experienced his pranks in Poland.

Your best defence is a good offence, and watch your 6.

Oh yes, one of the charaters one meets at a World Champs. Yes there are others. Bene, Kaz,  and Igor just to name a few.

I will miss seeing them at these events, as this is my last trip to a WC's.

RB, who are you going to abuse when I'm not there?

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« Reply #75 on: May 11, 2016, 07:36:41 AM »
Dave informs me that he wishes that you (RB) would pay more attention to him when I'm gone from the WC's. Just visited with Dave on this!

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« Reply #76 on: May 11, 2016, 08:53:51 AM »
Dave informs me that he wishes that you (RB) would pay more attention to him when I'm gone from the WC's. Just visited with Dave on this!
Paul, it seems to me that perhaps Russell *not James* Bond should spend some quality time with Igor,, so you Dave and Orestes can be prepared  S?P VD~ without distraction
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« Reply #77 on: May 11, 2016, 09:29:31 AM »
Are there any juniors in F2B this year?  It looked like one in combat, but that's all I saw glancing at that other stuff.
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« Reply #78 on: May 11, 2016, 10:44:52 AM »
Are there any juniors in F2B this year?  It looked like one in combat, but that's all I saw glancing at that other stuff.

All of the Junior flyers are so identified by the J with their names in the results section.  There are three Juniors in F2B.  The Juniors fly in the same rotation as the Senior pilots.  A Junior ranking can be used in the determination of team ranking if their score is better than one of the three Senior team members.

It is not unusual to see Juniors doing quite well in F2D.  I do not remember when, but one time not long ago in F2C, the Junior Champion was the World Champion.

There are 9 Juniors in F2D this year.  One of them is on our US Team, Nadein Alexandria, daughter of team member Andrey.  She is still in the hunt after four rounds as this is written.  A significant accomplishment.

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« Reply #79 on: May 11, 2016, 11:12:07 AM »
Best of luck to our guys in the finals!

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« Reply #80 on: May 11, 2016, 11:46:05 AM »
Paul will retire from World competition to stay home and prank us. I look forward to it.
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« Reply #81 on: May 12, 2016, 03:27:46 AM »
Yes, watch out for Paul now as I've taught him how to treat stunt pilots.
"The higher the ranking, the worse the pranking!"

OK Paul, I'll pick on Dave for you.  ;D
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« Reply #82 on: May 12, 2016, 03:39:43 AM »
David Fitz in action today round 2 of finals.

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« Reply #83 on: May 12, 2016, 04:10:32 AM »
I'm glad Dave F knows which way is up and down as he doesn't know his left from right!

Following him in my car this arvo and he puts his RH indicator on and then turns left!!!  What????!!!!  :o
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« Reply #84 on: May 12, 2016, 07:00:44 AM »
I just wipe the windscreen every time I turn.

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« Reply #85 on: May 12, 2016, 10:23:09 AM »
So is Kornmeier the world champion?  Looks like the fly off rounds have been posted.
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« Reply #86 on: May 12, 2016, 10:26:57 AM »
So is Kornmeier the world champion?  Looks like the fly off rounds have been posted.

   One more round to go.

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« Reply #87 on: May 12, 2016, 10:31:11 AM »
Yes, watch out for Paul now as I've taught him how to treat stunt pilots.
"The higher the ranking, the worse the pranking!"

OK Paul, I'll pick on Dave for you.  ;D
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« Reply #88 on: May 12, 2016, 10:38:10 AM »
Thanks, Brett.  I overlooked the 3rd round column.
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« Reply #89 on: May 13, 2016, 12:12:51 AM »
Well, I skived off from work to go and watch the final round, and it was almost perfect weather, slightly chilly initially, sunny, and a little breeze.

It was the first time I'd seen Orestes fly and it was damn near perfect, he well deserved the round.

Kornmeier was also spot on, and I thought that he had in the bag quite honestly.

Walker's flight was last and had the biggest crowd to watch, and because of that I was having trouble seeing the bottoms there were so many heads in the way.

Amazing flying, and it certainly proved to me that accelerometer electric ESC systems are the next evolution for me.

Also, is this the first W/C won by a Yatsenko ship?
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« Reply #90 on: May 13, 2016, 08:51:03 AM »
I believe that Orestes airframe is built by him from a "kit" provided by Yatsenko, but built from parts by Orestes,,

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« Reply #91 on: May 13, 2016, 01:48:25 PM »
Maybe Sparky will record some interviews. I was fascinated with his Paul Walker interview about a trip to the WC and all the stories that went with it. Both interesting and funny. Same with his Bob Hunt interview too.
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« Reply #92 on: May 13, 2016, 06:59:11 PM »
Looks like Orestes edged out Igor for first place! Paul Walker came in 4th!

The US easily won the team championship with 1st, 4th & 9th place finishes!

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« Reply #93 on: May 16, 2016, 11:44:58 PM »
No round 3 and no flyoff.

Pathetic... some of us actually spent money to come over.

Imagine that. World cup rules are in thr FAI handbook.. but for the most part they were ignored.



Well in that weather changing every second, it was definitelly not the best if we did not discard lowest score. I expected they will at least do top 15 seocond round. We got terrible wind and turbulence with David on second flight, it will certainly help to have one flight discarded. It was little bit lottery.

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« Reply #94 on: May 17, 2016, 06:25:46 PM »
I believe that Orestes airframe is built by him from a "kit" provided by Yatsenko, but built from parts by Orestes,,

well flown USA Cant wait to hear the stories if Paul and Dave make it to the Regionals


The one he uses at FAI competitions was built in the Ukraine. The ones he uses at AMA competitions he built. His AMA planes don't fly as well because they are heavier.

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« Reply #95 on: May 17, 2016, 07:33:51 PM »
 It was little bit lottery.
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REALLY. A LOTTERY.....SAY ITS NOT SO.

Well, with the way the judges balloned, if you had early flights, you were in trouble. Of the 3 finals flights, two were very early, and one was the last flight. The first flight was the 3rd to go. That was my throw away flight.

It is sad to have so many people work so hard to prepare for this competition only to make it a lottery because of the judges.

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« Reply #96 on: May 17, 2016, 07:46:40 PM »
Tell me something about it :-P ... I did the first official flight of the contest. after Lauri warm up flight :- ))))))))

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« Reply #97 on: May 17, 2016, 08:49:03 PM »
As its the 21st century , thereabouts  ;D we could Save Money by Just Videotaping All Flights  ( No Judges ) at the World Champs .

Evenings to replay tapes ( Fixed Camera- not wobbling ! ) and competitors pick holes in the flights. Er . I mean ' critique ' flights .
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« Reply #98 on: May 17, 2016, 09:14:04 PM »

The one he uses at FAI competitions was built in the Ukraine. The ones he uses at AMA competitions he built. His AMA planes don't fly as well because they are heavier.

thank you for the correction Paul, always better to konw the truth
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Re: World Champs Australia
« Reply #99 on: May 21, 2016, 06:55:53 PM »
Well a couple of mentions of the weather made me think you guys while I was battening down the hatches yesterday as we were in the thick of the biggest storm in some years. The world champs slipped through in a relative lull, so it could have been worse.

Try flying in this!
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