Author Topic: Veco Tomahawk 1 and 2 (Read 3892 times)

Bootlegger · « **on:** October 16, 2016, 06:32:20 AM »

What are the differences between these two kits, and where can a fellow get kit's or plans for each?

What are some opinons as to which is the better to build and which flies better. T I A

Mark_Gerber · « **Reply #1 on:** October 16, 2016, 07:23:35 AM »

The Veco Tomahawk is one of my favorite planes from my youth. My uncle, who taught me control line, had one and flew it well. Since I could not find plans, I bought a kit off e-Bay and drew them in CAD. I've posted them on a couple of forums but the best place to get them is on Outerzone. I also posted a set of the kit instructions there. I believe the Tomahawk kit was first sold by Veco in 1953. The Tomahawk 2 appeared sometime in the early '60s and was changed a lot from version I with a more "modern" look. If the Tomahawk 1 is build according to the plans the wing appears to be an I-beamer and looks cool. I scratch-built one from my plans and painted it just like my uncle's.

Mark Gerber

Motorman · « **Reply #2 on:** October 16, 2016, 09:02:41 AM »

http://brodak.com/control-line-kits/brodak/classic-stunt/original-tomahawk-kit.html

MM

Dennis Toth · « **Reply #3 on:** October 16, 2016, 11:24:42 AM »

If the original was kitted by Veco in 1953 is it possible that it was designed and the proto type flown in 1952 making it OTS eligible?

Best, DennisT

Leester · « **Reply #4 on:** October 16, 2016, 11:34:19 AM »

Brodak also has the Dare Sporthawk which is a 46" version of the Tomahawk.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #5 on:** October 16, 2016, 04:06:07 PM »

I have both Brodak kits sitting on the shelf. But, the shop is a catrastrophy right now.

paw080 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 18, 2016, 10:43:05 AM »

Quote from: Bootlegger on October 16, 2016, 06:32:20 AM

What are the differences between these two kits, and where can a fellow get kit's or plans for each?

What are some opinons as to which is the better to build and which flies better. T I A

Hi Boot, The first version Tomahawk is a much better flying model than the second version.

The original Tomahawk's wing area is a bit over 30 sq"s larger, and it's designed for a

.19 cu" - .35 cu" engine range. The second version is smaller and lighter than the original;

and it was designed for a .19 cu" Veco engine. It is advertised as having only 330 sq"s of

wing area compared to the original's 365 sq"s. I have both versions, I built the Dumas ver

decades before I built CLC's original kit. The Dumas model has been used as a test bed

primary trainer using a variety of .15 cu" diesels. The CLC original Tomahak model is powered

by a CS Oliver Tiger mkIII repro. It easily flys the stunt pattern on 60' X .015" lines and

remains tight on overhead maneuvers even in light/medium wind. The CLC kit is the very best

rendition of the original Veco Tomahawk, The CLC kit was made by Tony Drago and the full size

plans were drawn by Dave Braun. If you can find the CLC kit buy it !

Tony G

Bootlegger · « **Reply #7 on:** October 18, 2016, 04:40:19 PM »

Thanks fellow's,
Where can I get a full size set of plans for the Tomahawk 1, or a kit of same? Again thanks...

john e. holliday · « **Reply #8 on:** October 19, 2016, 08:23:48 AM »

Search Brodaks site.

Russell · « **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2016, 06:19:49 AM »

Looks like both of these are the same.

Tomahawk: http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=7721

Original Tomahawk Kit
by Brodak: http://brodak.com/original-tomahawk-kit.html

Motorman · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2016, 08:01:19 AM »

If V1 flys better because it has more wing area I would just scale V2 up to 400 sq. in. and put an LA 25 on it if you're going to be scratch building anyway.

MM

John Tate · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2016, 04:56:53 PM »

I remember flying a Tomahawk back in the early 60's. It flew better that the Ringmasters we had back them. The version at that time had the jet look.
Brodak had to put out that version at first and the wingspan was 41" with 330 sq. inches.

Mark_Gerber · « **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2016, 08:01:39 PM »

I've not examined a Brodak or CLC Tomahawk I kit, but from photos it appears they both have top and bottom spars on the wing. The Veco Tomahawk I had a center spar and looks like an I-beamer.

Mark Gerber

Mike Bufkin · « **Reply #13 on:** October 26, 2016, 04:28:46 AM »

I'm building a Brodak original Tomahawk now,
It has top and bottom spars.

I'm a little confused about a previous comment about wing area.

Mine says 41" span,and 330 sq inch wing area.

Is mine the good one ?

Mike

John Tate · « **Reply #14 on:** October 26, 2016, 01:21:09 PM »

Mike,
I have flown the Brodak Tomahawk and it flew great. Keep building and then enjoy flying it.

Robert Zambelli · « **Reply #15 on:** October 26, 2016, 02:56:13 PM »

There was a full-bodied version of the Tomahawk.
The Tom-Tom.

As far as I know, the only difference is the fuselage.

I had both and they flew well with K&B Greenhead 19s.

Bob Z.

paw080 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 26, 2016, 08:31:31 PM »

Quote from: Mike Bufkin on October 26, 2016, 04:28:46 AM

I'm building a Brodak original Tomahawk now,
It has top and bottom spars.

I'm a little confused about a previous comment about wing area.

Mine says 41" span,and 330 sq inch wing area.

Is mine the good one ?

Mike

Hi Mike, I mentioned the wing area difference. The first version Tomahawk fly's a lot better

than the second version. Which one is better? Better for what? My Dumas Tomahawk(330sq"s)

was great being used as a primary trainer; It also was a test bed for four different .15 cu"

diesel engines. It was flown on .015" X 60' lines. My CLC Tomahawk easily flew the Stunt pattern

on the same lines , but was powered by the stronger 2.49cc Oliver Tiger mkIII C.S. reproduction.

The version 2 Tomahawk(smaller wing area) was also used by many modelers as a good choice design

for the Northwest Sport Racing event(now defunct??). You choose which one is best for whatever...

Tony

paw080 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 26, 2016, 08:45:57 PM »

Quote from: Motorman on October 25, 2016, 08:01:19 AM

If V1 flys better because it has more wing area I would just scale V2 up to 400 sq. in. and put an LA 25 on it if you're going to be scratch building anyway.

MM

Dear MM, They are not even close to being the same design model. The second version has a much

longer tail moment and a higher aspect ratio wing. The empennage is also smaller in area.

I haven't checked lately, but I think ver 2 also has a thinner airfoil. Version 2 is a better design for

a trainer model.

Tony

john e. holliday · « **Reply #18 on:** October 27, 2016, 12:30:40 PM »

I still have my Tom Tom hanging on the hook. Better flying plane then the pilot can do. Of course Fox .35 Stunt for power.

Mike Bufkin · « **Reply #19 on:** October 27, 2016, 01:00:01 PM »

Quote from: Robert Zambelli on October 26, 2016, 02:56:13 PM

There was a full-bodied version of the Tomahawk.
The Tom-Tom.

As far as I know, the only difference is the fuselage.

I had both and they flew well with K&B Greenhead 19s.

Bob Z.

Oh, I fully intend to finish it.
I'm not overloaded with spare time,but got the control system in last weekend along with center sheeting and cap strips.

Wing tips next,then the fuse.

What to power it with ?
I have FP-20,FP-25, Enya SS-25,Fox 35,and Enya SS-30.

We should call it a primary trainer,as I haven't flown U-control in 40 years.
Full scale,and R/C mostly.

Also I was wrong before,the wing area is 338 sq. inches
Mike

Author Topic: Veco Tomahawk 1 and 2 (Read 3892 times)

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