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Offline Doug Moon

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2015, 02:43:59 PM »
I have work to do!!

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2015, 01:35:41 PM »
Laying out the fuselage sides...
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2015, 04:36:08 PM »
Fuselage sides and doublers cut out.
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #53 on: December 29, 2015, 11:20:39 PM »
 Nice work  Steve , I'm cutting out the fuse parts myself.
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2016, 01:05:45 PM »
Cut out all the other formers, etc, and now am epoxying the doublers using West Systems epoxy.  I just started using West Systems and it seems ideal for this application.
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2016, 11:36:30 AM »
Got delayed by the KOI trip and then the blizzard resulting in the kids off of school for a week :(

Joined the fuselage sides today.  Before this step, I did something different: I carefully fit each side to the wing.  Usually I sand and dremel the cutouts to the exact fit right when I install the wing later in the construction.  Not sure if this helps or not, but I will see if it makes a difference later in the construction.
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2016, 12:09:43 PM »
Got delayed by the KOI trip and then the blizzard resulting in the kids off of school for a week :(

Joined the fuselage sides today.  Before this step, I did something different: I carefully fit each side to the wing.  Usually I sand and dremel the cutouts to the exact fit right when I install the wing later in the construction.  Not sure if this helps or not, but I will see if it makes a difference later in the construction.

As long as you had them taped tightly together as a pair when you slid them on the wing and did the fitting, great idea! I'll steal that one!

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2016, 02:52:42 PM »
I like how eeyore is supervising the clamping process. That engine mount ain't going nowhere!
This is a nice looking build

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2016, 04:21:51 PM »
The first few formers and pipe floor/mount are in.  Making a check that the extended pipe funnel is the correct length for the 75.
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2016, 07:41:28 PM »
Gear blocks and the rest of the formers are in.  This time the gear will be mounted 3/4" further aft than on the plan to help with T/O and landing on the L pad.
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2016, 08:27:01 PM »
It's looking great Steve! Keep the pics coming!
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2016, 08:27:56 AM »
I had the removable aluminum gear on one plane in which I could relocate it by unbolting and moving it.  I fly off grass so I need gear a little further forward.    Just an option before you close it up.   On wing mounted gear I had two sets,  one for grass plus one for pavement with wheel pants. 
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2016, 05:33:32 PM »
I had the removable aluminum gear on one plane in which I could relocate it by unbolting and moving it.  I fly off grass so I need gear a little further forward.    Just an option before you close it up.   On wing mounted gear I had two sets,  one for grass plus one for pavement with wheel pants. 

That is all taken care of on my designs, the setup is so you can spin the gear around for grass or concrete, when you spin the gear around it moves the wheels back n forth nearly an inch. If you fly very nose or tail heavy you may need to adjust the gear location

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2016, 04:18:45 PM »
Making up blocks and rough shaping.  Lots of work ahead!
Steve

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #64 on: February 15, 2016, 12:55:47 PM »
Roughing out the cowling.  Lots of sanding ahead!
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #65 on: February 19, 2016, 11:49:59 AM »
Engine installed to set spinner ring position.  I am also dremeling out the cowling to get it on there for shaping.
Steve

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #66 on: February 19, 2016, 06:48:21 PM »
Eore is smiling and laughing at the thought of all that carving you will have to do on the top block.  He is also wondering why on earth you dont have some general molds for your SV planes you keep building....   ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #67 on: February 20, 2016, 07:14:47 AM »
Eore is smiling and laughing at the thought of all that carving you will have to do on the top block.  He is also wondering why on earth you dont have some general molds for your SV planes you keep building....   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Reason number one is I don't know how....

Reason #2 is that I'm not sure its worth learning for such low rate production.  Once I have a couple of planes I am happy with, I plan to build other stuff, like new planes for Classic or Nostalgia 30.
Steve

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #68 on: February 20, 2016, 09:49:38 AM »
Reason number one is I don't know how....

Reason #2 is that I'm not sure its worth learning for such low rate production.  Once I have a couple of planes I am happy with, I plan to build other stuff, like new planes for Classic or Nostalgia 30.

Randy  can help with that    ;D ;D ;D ;D

Randy

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #69 on: February 20, 2016, 04:01:25 PM »
Steve:

You need to come up and have a shop session with me sometime.  Topic: balsa molding.  In about the same time you carve and hollow that top block, you could make a blue foam mold shape and then mold a top block of two laminated sheets of 1/16th balsa.   ;D

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #70 on: February 20, 2016, 07:35:36 PM »
Scott I need to come up to one of your sessions just on general principles, it looks like you all have lots of fun doing those sessions!

Its not too early to start thinking of the cockpit for this one.  I assembled the Williams bros pilot figure and primed/preshaded with Model Master acryl flat black.
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2016, 01:03:28 PM »
More work on getting the cowl on so the spinner ring can be accurately located on the front end.  still much more work to do before carving the blocks.
Steve

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #72 on: February 23, 2016, 01:13:09 PM »
Looks great Steve! I'll take the BCOE  :! over the GCOD  %^ any day!

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #73 on: February 25, 2016, 12:56:39 PM »
No more updates for awhile, I made an error that is going to take a month or more to fix on the front end/cowling.   ''
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #74 on: February 25, 2016, 03:14:11 PM »
No more updates for awhile, I made an error that is going to take a month or more to fix on the front end/cowling.   ''

Wat happened?

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #75 on: February 25, 2016, 06:29:27 PM »
he used the green masking tape instead of the blue stuff....
   happens every time!

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #76 on: March 28, 2016, 02:04:16 PM »
Back on track here.  The blocks were tacked on and shaped.  Thanks to Derek for the suggestion to mount the fuselage on the work stand for block sanding.
Steve

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #77 on: March 28, 2016, 02:07:00 PM »
Blocks all shaped and more checks of the cowl/spinner fits.
Steve

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #78 on: March 28, 2016, 06:42:04 PM »
Reason number one is I don't know how....

Reason #2 is that I'm not sure its worth learning for such low rate production.  Once I have a couple of planes I am happy with, I plan to build other stuff, like new planes for Classic or Nostalgia 30.

Making the molds is so incredibly easy, absolutely worth it. The end result is far superior to that of a carved block, you will kick yourself for not having done it sooner.

If you need help, ask Randy or me.

BTW, those are some awesome looking plans!

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #79 on: March 29, 2016, 02:07:56 AM »
Engine installed to set spinner ring position.  I am also dremeling out the cowling to get it on there for shaping.

What is that  BIG honkin motor??  LOL  Curt flys his thru about any condition with a lil PA 51 .........   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Curt should post pics of his, with the weeney motor in it..

and Yes Awesome plans ,  Curt worked very hard on them,  and really helped me out big time with plans..we get many compliments especially about all the blocks showing  how to construct the various parts

Steve the build is looking very good... don't let up

Randy

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #80 on: March 29, 2016, 06:03:51 AM »
Lookin good Steve!

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #81 on: March 29, 2016, 06:20:24 AM »
What is that  BIG honkin motor??  LOL  Curt flys his thru about any condition with a lil PA 51 .........   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Curt should post pics of his, with the weeney motor in it..

and Yes Awesome plans ,  Curt worked very hard on them,  and really helped me out big time with plans..we get many compliments especially about all the blocks showing  how to construct the various parts

Steve the build is looking very good... don't let up

Randy

Looks like you are back on track and doing really good Steve!

Hey! If his PA 51 is a little weeny motor, then what does that make the PA40 in my DoubleCross? A Teeny-Weeny Motor?  LL~

The PA75 pulls my 64oz Katana just fine thank you very much, even though your PA51 pulled your Katana just as awesomely when you let me test fly it in Muncie Randy.

Some of us are just doing our part to keep the glow fuel vendors in business  H^^

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #82 on: March 29, 2016, 07:31:13 AM »
The pilot is painted and ready for duty.
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #83 on: March 29, 2016, 07:59:13 AM »
What is that  BIG honkin motor??  LOL  Curt flys his thru about any condition with a lil PA 51 .........   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Curt should post pics of his, with the weeney motor in it..


Does the 51 count as a weeny motor when I put it in a little Staris??  ;D

Plane looks really good Steve!! Keep the updates coming along.
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #84 on: March 29, 2016, 10:58:44 AM »
The pilot is painted and ready for duty.

the new pilot looks great.... mucho better  than the  "blueman" pilot that you showed before   ;D ;D #^

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #85 on: March 30, 2016, 05:44:09 PM »
The wing is in now.  Sliding it in from the side seems odd but works really well.
Steve

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #86 on: March 30, 2016, 07:04:03 PM »
Steve,
Why not hide the fuse cut-out for the horn pass thru to where the filet goes?

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #87 on: March 31, 2016, 06:28:26 AM »
Steve that big cutout for the flap horn is not needed. A slot cut straight back from the trailing edge will allow the horn arms to clear the body. And then the fillet will cover it.
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #88 on: March 31, 2016, 07:41:30 AM »
I must be missing something here.  The big cutout is for the bellcrank to flap pushrod, then the little cuts for the horn arms.  The pushrod and horn upright have the lowest profile when the horn is in the flaps "up" position.
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #89 on: March 31, 2016, 09:17:16 AM »
I must be missing something here.  The big cutout is for the bellcrank to flap pushrod, then the little cuts for the horn arms.  The pushrod and horn upright have the lowest profile when the horn is in the flaps "up" position.


Yes, but it doesn't have to stay in that position all the way in. Flaps horn level, slide in the outboard leg of the horn past the inboard fusecside, move to full down, slide in the pushrod, move to neutral and slide the outboard leg past the outboard fuse side. Then the fillets cover that slot.

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #90 on: March 31, 2016, 11:26:35 AM »

Yes, but it doesn't have to stay in that position all the way in. Flaps horn level, slide in the outboard leg of the horn past the inboard fusecside, move to full down, slide in the pushrod, move to neutral and slide the outboard leg past the outboard fuse side. Then the fillets cover that slot.

That is the way I do mine, and the small filler piece is covered by the fillets , the larger piece is glued back in and a little model magic filler,
but Steve  will have no problems covering the small and larger cutouts, just glue them back in and put a little filler over the lines

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #91 on: March 31, 2016, 01:23:36 PM »

Yes, but it doesn't have to stay in that position all the way in. Flaps horn level, slide in the outboard leg of the horn past the inboard fusecside, move to full down, slide in the pushrod, move to neutral and slide the outboard leg past the outboard fuse side. Then the fillets cover that slot.

You know, That's how I did it all the other times now that I think about it.  No idea why I didn't rotate the horn legs down this time.  I must be getting old.

Steve

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #92 on: March 31, 2016, 02:33:10 PM »
I have a 1/2" hole right above the clevis and remove the pushrod,install flap horn then hold clevis with hemostats and screw the pushrod back in the clevis that is mounted on the bellcrank.No cut out on the side of the fusalodge.
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #93 on: March 31, 2016, 07:21:02 PM »
Does the 51 count as a weeny motor when I put it in a little Staris??  ;D

Plane looks really good Steve!! Keep the updates coming along.

Up against this guy, they are ALL weeny motors. ;D
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #94 on: April 23, 2016, 05:08:20 AM »
A few more pictures of Staris work.  I take pictures of the completed horn/pushrod assemblies if for no other reason than to be able to convince myself I did not forget anything critical during assembly.  Often the construction pictures help me remember what the heck I did when I forget on the next build...
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #95 on: April 23, 2016, 05:12:29 AM »
Working on the bottom blocks.  They will be cut out to allow the pipe to drop in and out.  Getting a vector style canopy to work is challenging.  It looks like the pilot will need surgery to fit.
Steve

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #96 on: April 23, 2016, 07:06:55 AM »
 mw~ mw~ mw~
 Steve:
Drop the pilot floor down about 1/4". it will give you more clearance.
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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #97 on: April 23, 2016, 07:16:10 AM »
The pilot got a body ectomy.  This saves on his Obamacare premium as well.
Steve

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #98 on: April 23, 2016, 07:21:31 AM »
Well heck, you could have just used Marie Antoinette for a pilot then...

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Re: Super Staris Build
« Reply #99 on: April 28, 2016, 07:20:03 AM »
Shaped the vertical fin and rudder from 3/8th sheet and sanded down accordingly.  The completed fin weighs 10 grams.  I need to remember to trace it out on some silkspan to make covering it easier before its glued on.  Cut the groove for the canopy out and dry fit the canopy.
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