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Offline Rusty

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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2016, 06:49:34 PM »
Yes - I can provide more info if you want it.

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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2016, 05:42:45 AM »
Ask Randy Ryan. He did some for me several years ago. Very nicely done.
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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2016, 06:20:19 AM »
    Hi Rusty:

    From what I have gleaned re, the Veco .45 engine, it is indeed worth converting to C/L.  It is a high quality engine that has about .71 hp at a bit over 11 oz. Perhaps a bit porky by today standards but never the less, it may be a fun ride.  A friend of mine has a Lee Custom Veco .45 and it looks good just sitting in box.

    You must remember that these were made in the 60's so parts may be a problem but at our ages, who cares. Lol  Go for it and let us know how it performs. 

    As a younger man, I thought that at Shark 45 with that engine would be the cat's pajamas!

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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2016, 07:00:00 AM »


NAH ! .  VD~ http://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/marut/

Didnt Lew Mc Farland run one in the Shark 45 . :-\

was suposed to be the first sub 60 to swing a 12 x 6 @ 10.000 .
Unsilenced in those days , of course . Theyre Tight Fitted new ,
30  oil or theyll nip up , running in . They ever do a plain bearing one ?



NVA is the same as the std K&B / Veco one - with the alloy needle . no problem there .
Not the lightest motor ever made , but high quality . Sound nearly as good as a Fox 59 , but keep the oil content up .

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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2016, 07:24:43 AM »
Hi Rusty,

And Frank and Matt!  %^@   Yes the Veco 45 in the Shark 45 WOULD be the cat's pajamas, at least in 1962.  Lew had removed the K&B 45 and used the Veco to win the NATS!  Billy Werwage needed one in his '62 Ares but the engine was to heavy for him....... Now we would use an even bigger engine, but for the time the Veco was the best.

Bob Palmer designed the Skyscraper (what we would now term a ".60 size" model) for the Veco 45 and ran the engine in a dead 4 cycle all the time.  He reported no problems!

Rusty, since you have it, make sure the rod isn't stuck, get a venturi and NVA, and use it!
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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2016, 04:04:14 PM »
Definately NOT ! .  ;)



http://sceptreflight.net/Model%20Engine%20Tests/Veco%2045%20Stunt.html

interesting article, but defiantly NOT  a loop charged  engine, its a single bypass motor

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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2016, 07:36:36 PM »
I have 3 Veco .45's. All blueprinted by Clarence Lee (Mr.Veco) He is still in business and will  check out your engine and check the correct timing for stunt use  for about $25.00. Also he can make the 2 side exhaust plugs. Send it to:  Clarence Lee  10112  Woodward avenue Sunland  Calif. 91040   y1
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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2016, 09:27:28 PM »
I thought of Ron Adams immediately when seeing this thread. He had a big A-6 Intruder stunter too, before the Marut, that he powered with the Veco .45.
My dad has a brand new one he decided not to use. Pretty engine.
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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2016, 04:33:18 AM »
Three years ago, my buddy Henk took up restoring Louis van den Hout's Spider, the last of his Olympus line.
With the plane there were 2 Veco .45 engines that were restored by Erik Janssen.




Henk and I did the test flying and setting up the engine. An entirely different machine from those I remembered from my IC days.
Indeed, very tight to begin with it took ages for it to begin loosening up, but finally it behaved nicely.
Had to fiddle with the needle as there was an airleak at the threads. A piece of fuel line corrected that as a temporary solution.
Then it turned out to be a perfect engine, good response at the needle and very good 2-4-2 switching.
Louis was over the moon when he got his Spider back in flying condition.
Here's the story (OK, in Dutch) with some (from yesteryear and recent) nice pictures too:
http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/threads/de-spider-van-louis-van-den-hout-in-restauratie.202348
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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2016, 06:21:38 AM »
Whoa Bruno, those pictures in that forum sure brought back some memories and I thank you for that!
I see people my age out there climbing mountains and zip lining and here I am feeling good about myself because I got my leg through my underwear without losing my balance

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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2016, 02:49:07 PM »
I realise you are talking about the Veco 45 because you already have one, but its successor the Veco 50 was an even better (make that more successful?) stunt engine. Same c/case and mounting dims. but lighter ringed piston and slightly more power? Possibly a bit lighter as well. Think I got the details right, but open to correction.
Used quite a lot in Europe.
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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2016, 03:46:16 AM »
Whoa Bruno, those pictures in that forum sure brought back some memories and I thank you for that!
Coming from you I humbly accept the compliment.
You should know I stood next to the circle when you earned your first WCh title.
Now that was an inspiration!
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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2016, 09:05:21 AM »
interesting article, but defiantly NOT  a loop charged  engine, its a single bypass motor

Randy
In 1963 when I took the I C Engines class that was defined as loop scavenged. It is now defined as cross flow to differentiate it from the multiple bypass engines. It was called loop scavenged because the shape of the top of the piston deflected the incoming charge upward toward the top of the cylinder where it looped around and followed out the exhaust port. When that report was written that was defined as a loop scavenged engine.

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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2016, 07:20:36 PM »
   :o There appears to be the possability of a slight fault in the Translator .

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Past LB NedNats at De Peel Louis van den Hout had taken his spider. That was his last stunt coffin, hastily built in 1972 for the World Cup in Sweden that year. Louis had a week before the World Cup his chest gemold by flying at a demonstration against a pole! He then immediately took a week and went to work, hats off to such a job. The casket looked then like this: the color was, moreover, the World Cup in Hradec Kralove taken in 1974. Louis had the coffin stripped a few years ago but never got around to snap him further. I was immediately excited about the opportunity to be able to refurbish such a historically important Dutch freestyle. The aim is to restore the whole coffin to its former glory, and also to go fly again.


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Re: Is a Veco 45 any good for C/L?
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2016, 11:04:29 PM »
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Our airfoils have been developed over several millenea.



Im not sure they have the refined sensitivities here to appreciate the subtle audable sophistication , VD~ S?P.

Had more than something in common with this ,



We Degresss , but the worlds first V T O Design , ( S'at M.o.T.a.T. in Auckland )



This one may not've worked , but if anyone wants a good R.C. predecessor by 100 years to the Hang Glider ,

oops  , way of topic . but it is an ENGINE , I guess , so we'll JUST slip in on that .  ;D



thats an EIGHT cylinder , believe it or not .



( still dont think anyones got this quite right , at least this ones got an airfoil . Like DuMont , he used Bamboo .
any farmer knows fencing , and as an ornitologist He'd know to tension off the No 8 wire under to curve the ribs and taughten the canvass .)
theres pictures of the thing under Pearse on Google , an engine was dug out of the Waitohi tip in the 70s , the ' utility plane ' was hidden in that shed.
back in 1900 he was obviously mad , thinking he could fly . whadid E think E was , a Baird or Something .  LL~)  :o

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