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How good is Vector 40???
« on: November 26, 2016, 11:39:18 PM »
Just wanting to know people's opinion on the Vector 40.

How does it fare against large 60 inch planes in F2B. I almost have a clear bench again and like the vector for its compact size.

But at the same time I don't want to compromise performance.

If I build one I'll be making it electric too.
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2016, 12:43:32 AM »
Hi Daniel
             Great model,I have had one for a number of years,IC power,my mate here in Oz won the 2005 Nats
Advanced class with a Vector/ OS 25 VF on pipe and it was up against 60 size models,mind you he is a very good flyer.
You will not go wrong,I guess the only thing will be to try and keep the weight down,I think there was a picture of
an electric Vector in the latest Stunt News, E-Flite 15 powered I think.
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2016, 02:36:59 AM »
   I have a Vector 40 and a SV-11, both by Brodak.
The Vector has an LA .46 and the SV-11 a Ro-Jett .65.
   These are almost identical planes except for size.
I prefer the SV-11.

   Everything about the Vector is correct. IMHO  :)
If you are very careful setting up the controls and
power system, I doubt you could find a better plane.

   On short lines, (0.15 x 60') I find the Vector to be
good in winds above 20 km/hr.

  I would be careful with the nose length and probably
shorten it but with electric it might be different.
   If you're building from a kit, consider using lighter
landing gear than the aluminum kind.

   This is a real CLPA plane and I would invest in
a dope finish and good details, but that's just me.

Cheers! - K.


  
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2016, 05:34:18 AM »
I had the ARF and it was a great flyer. The elevator horn connection to the elevators needs reinforcement. The horn on mine broke out of the end cap and I've seen another model with a similar attachment system fail in flight. A wrap of 6 oz. fiberglass should do the job.
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2016, 08:03:58 AM »
Just wanting to know people's opinion on the Vector 40.

How does it fare against large 60 inch planes in F2B. I almost have a clear bench again and like the vector for its compact size.

But at the same time I don't want to compromise performance.

If I build one I'll be making it electric too.

   It's very good, one of the best 35-sized designs. Avoid the ARF, they tend to be heavy, like mid-50's. Low-40's dry  is what you need to shoot for, maybe upper 40's with battery if it is electric.

        Brett

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2016, 09:15:50 AM »
I had the ARF and it was a great flyer. The elevator horn connection to the elevators needs reinforcement. The horn on mine broke out of the end cap and I've seen another model with a similar attachment system fail in flight. A wrap of 6 oz. fiberglass should do the job.


I don't understand what broke? Can you please elaborate.
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2016, 09:57:21 AM »
I had the Vector 40 ARF from Brodak with a Brodak 40 for power. The ARF is heavyish but it was a really good flying plane. I won a contest with it then sold it when I went electric. I've often thought of building a lighter one from a kit. For super serious competition I would consider it a "B" plane for practice and flying in adverse conditions.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2016, 10:15:59 AM »
  ........ and a SV-11, both by Brodak.
  


Brodak did the full size SV-11?  I did not know that (always the last one to get the memo).  It is not listed in the current catalog.  Interesting.


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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2016, 11:40:53 AM »
   It's very good, one of the best 35-sized designs. Avoid the ARF, they tend to be heavy, like mid-50's. Low-40's dry  is what you need to shoot for, maybe upper 40's with battery if it is electric.

        Brett

This surprised me. I thought my ARF Vector with a PA-40 and pipe at 46oz was light.
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2016, 01:25:15 PM »
Hey Danny,
I have had 6 vector 40s and flew them in NZ comps over the years - they fly better than I could ever make them fly - (let Owen and a couple other top guys) fly them and they sure made it look better than I could.

trimmed right Id say it would be as good as if not better than most of the 60 sized planes (In NZ anyway)   

the last 3 I built were all electric - easy to covert and I came up with a couple of idea on how to sort electrics out....


you wont be disappointed in the Vector 40  !
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2016, 03:40:11 PM »
Thanks for the replys. I'll seriously consider building the Vector.

I'm building a Legacy at the moment which is almost done.

Next project will be either Vector, SV12 or Blue Max Eternal, all of which I have plans for. I have to travel by air to most comps and the Vector I like due its compact size especially if I build it take apart.

Sounds like it can hold its own against the big boys just fine.
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2016, 03:48:19 PM »
This surprised me. I thought my ARF Vector with a PA-40 and pipe at 46oz was light.


   That's acceptable, and it's much lighter than most of the ARFs. The ARFs tend to be about mid-50's.

     Brett

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2016, 04:35:47 PM »
I just weighed my ARC Vector 40 and it is on the heavy side - 57.5 ounces ready to fly with a 5S 2700.
It is a full take apart, so that accounts for some of the extra weight, but I actually had an ARF previously that completed and modified for take aparts was actually lighter than the ARC right out of the box.
So you take your chances with any ARF/ARC.

I read that Brodak has a new builder for his ARFs, if it is a good one like for example 3D hobby shop uses then things could get better.
Also read that the Vector will be coming back. I think it is a great model for someone who wants to try out stunt, particularly if they want to go electric.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2016, 05:23:39 PM »
I just weighed my ARC Vector 40 and it is on the heavy side - 57.5 ounces ready to fly with a 5S 2700.
It is a full take apart, so that accounts for some of the extra weight, but I actually had an ARF previously that completed and modified for take aparts was actually lighter than the ARC right out of the box.
So you take your chances with any ARF/ARC.

I read that Brodak has a new builder for his ARFs, if it is a good one like for example 3D hobby shop uses then things could get better.
Also read that the Vector will be coming back. I think it is a great model for someone who wants to try out stunt, particularly if they want to go electric.

Pat MacKenzie



The 57.5 ozs. It that with or without the battery?
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2016, 05:48:12 PM »
I did say ready to fly with a 5S 2700 :)

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2016, 06:30:29 PM »
I did say ready to fly with a 5S 2700 :)



  That's also the equivalent of about 53-54 ounces with a engine and no fuel, which is about what they seem to come out.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2016, 06:50:28 PM »
It could have come out lighter flown on 4S, but I made the mistake of shortening the nose, so it was tail heavy and needed ~60 grams of nose weight.
When I went from the 12x6 APC to the igor prop the power required went up, so I switched to 5S and a slightly heavier motor better suited to the RPM and voltage.
(My AXI was not happy at all at the rpm the Igor prop needed to run, terrible resonances)

I think my orginal ARF was just under 50 ounces on 4S, and was a lot easier to trim than this one. 4S and the APC works fine, but the 3 blade runs much smoother.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2016, 07:26:59 PM »
Call me old and confused. Historically we quoted our weights as ready to fly dry weight, (ic).  Should we not then compare an electric without the battery. Yes I know the battery weight does not burn of but shouldn't we compare apples and apples. What am I missing?
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2016, 07:56:14 PM »
Call me old and confused. Historically we quoted our weights as ready to fly dry weight, (ic).  Should we not then compare an electric without the battery. Yes I know the battery weight does not burn of but shouldn't we compare apples and apples. What am I missing?


   Electrics are weighed with battery installed for the purpose of the pull test. IC models are weighed empty.

     What matters is the in-flight mass, of course, but weighing conventional models "empty" is so ingrained that it's not likely to change.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2016, 08:53:09 PM »
OK but the discussion was about the weight of the vector. So is it a light plane or a heavy one? How does one make a decision? 46 ozs with a PA-40 and pipe and 57.5 ozs with a battery.
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2016, 11:17:42 PM »
One more question on the Vector 40. One of our club members built one from the Brodak kit and I test flew it on Saturday. It was flying a little too fast at 4.8 secs/lap on 60 foot (eyelet to eyelet) lines. It felt o.k and I did a few loops either way. After a few minutes the stab started fluttering, as in flapping up and down, so I kept it level as far as possible and finished the flight without the stab breaking. I must admit that in my pre-flight check I did not think to really check the stab flexibility. After all this is a proven design and a Brodak kit. When I had a good look at the stab again, it was really thin and flexible.

The model was converted to electric using the Brodak add-on kit for this. It flew with an APC 11 x 5.5 prop and a 4-cell 2200 lipo. I don't remember the all-up weight but it did not seem heavy when I picked it up or flew it. The owner has a 2600 battery for it as well, but up here in Johannesburg South Africa our club is 5800 ft. asl, so the 2200 battery should get through a 5 minute flight. Has anyone else had this problem? Thanks.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2016, 12:37:08 AM »
OK but the discussion was about the weight of the vector. So is it a light plane or a heavy one? How does one make a decision? 46 ozs with a PA-40 and pipe and 57.5 ozs with a battery.

  I don't understand the question. I think that 46 oz (dry) with a PA40UL is a very good weight. Most of the ARFs come out around 54-55 (dry) which is functional with a PA40UL, but not great. 54 with a PA40UL is about equivalent in weight to a 58 ounce electric (because the fuel weight is the difference), so you can expect the ARF to come out around 54 with an engine in general.

    I would suggest building it from the plans, in which case you should be able to get it to maybe 42-43 with a good engine and maybe around 50-51 with electric, for about the same performance.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2016, 12:57:31 AM »
Just wanting to know people's opinion on the Vector 40.

How does it fare against large 60 inch planes in F2B. I almost have a clear bench again and like the vector for its compact size.

But at the same time I don't want to compromise performance.

If I build one I'll be making it electric too.

Hi Daniel
It is an excellent plane, and before I designed it, I designed the Vector, or what we call the Standard Vector, it is 57.5 inches and about 630 sq in wing, it is also a very good ship, and large enough to take the weight of take apart hardware a little easier, There were  2  French Flyers that used the Vector at a World Championship some years back, they had a unique way of doing a take apart system as the wing halves came off about  7 or 8 inches from centerline, I can get more info on this if needed,
Building  light and straight you could use either, If I can help you  please let me know

Regards
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2016, 06:11:54 AM »
Some of Brodak's ARF designs have elevator and flap horn/wire connectors that plug into an 1/8 inch plywood cap piece glued to the inboard end of the control surfaces. It has a hole drilled into it to accept the horn/wire. The ply is good enough for several flights and can and does fail. It needs reinforcement to last. The ARF I had was very light and built from very light wood that cracked a lot during the re build. Nothing to do with the crash.
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2016, 09:10:44 AM »
  I don't understand the question. I think that 46 oz (dry) with a PA40UL is a very good weight. Most of the ARFs come out around 54-55 (dry) which is functional with a PA40UL, but not great. 54 with a PA40UL is about equivalent in weight to a 58 ounce electric (because the fuel weight is the difference), so you can expect the ARF to come out around 54 with an engine in general.

    I would suggest building it from the plans, in which case you should be able to get it to maybe 42-43 with a good engine and maybe around 50-51 with electric, for about the same performance.

    Brett

Thank you for the clarification. One last question. Are you saying that saying that heavier electrics fly just as well as lighter ICs? That surprises me.
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2016, 09:31:59 AM »

Brodak did the full size SV-11?  I did not know that (always the last one to get the memo).  It is not listed in the current catalog.  Interesting.

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John and I  did the full size  SV11  along with the Vector 40, matter of fact I have both  NEW  Prototype kits in here  now  for checking Production, so soon there will  be  a new run of the  ARF  ARC   SV11   and  Vector 40 s   back in stock,
The new manufacture  is making much better  higher quality  kits  than ones  previously made

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2016, 09:43:54 AM »
Lighter planes  period ,  generally  fly better than heavier  ones, does not matter  the  power supply

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2016, 09:46:50 AM »
   "  One more question on the Vector 40. One of our club members built one from the Brodak kit and I test flew it on Saturday. It was flying a little too fast at 4.8 secs/lap on 60 foot (eyelet to eyelet) lines. It felt o.k and I did a few loops either way. After a few minutes the stab started fluttering, as in flapping up and down, so I kept it level as far as possible and finished the flight without the stab breaking. I must admit that in my pre-flight check I did not think to really check the stab flexibility. After all this is a proven design and a Brodak kit. When I had a good look at the stab again, it was really thin and flexible.   "


Did he change the construction ? the way I designed it, that would  never happen  unless it was broken in the middle , or the  construction changed?

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2016, 09:53:59 AM »
Hi Randy,

He says that he built it as per the plans, but I will check that for sure. What thickness balsa should the stab be?

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2016, 10:40:38 AM »
Hi Randy,

He says that he built it as per the plans, but I will check that for sure. What thickness balsa should the stab be?

Keith R


The kit is a 1/2  inch thick stab  , 3/8 inch balsa  with geodetic ribs in the two outer havles cut outs,  the sheeted  with 1/16 top and bottom, so it makes for stiff stab
sounds like his is broken in the middle
I also run a cap along the stab trailing edge of balsa, that gives another grain direction and makes for a very stiff stab

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2016, 10:49:34 AM »
Thank you for the clarification. One last question. Are you saying that saying that heavier electrics fly just as well as lighter ICs? That surprises me.


  They are roughly  the SAME WEIGHT in the air. A "45 ounce" IC model actually weighs about 50+ ounces at the start of the flight.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2016, 11:49:36 AM »

The kit is a 1/2  inch thick stab  , 3/8 inch balsa  with geodetic ribs in the two outer havles cut outs,  the sheeted  with 1/16 top and bottom, so it makes for stiff stab
sounds like his is broken in the middle
I also run a cap along the stab trailing edge of balsa, that gives another grain direction and makes for a very stiff stab

Randy
Thanks Randy, this stab was a lot thinner, so I'll contact my friend and see what went wrong and report back.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2016, 12:18:28 PM »
So don't make him repeat himself because this is serious @#$%.
Chris...

I did say ready to fly with a 5S 2700 :)



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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2016, 12:35:21 PM »
Daniel,
What Randy and Brett are saying is that the Vector 40 is well designed, but should weigh less than most of the completed models do, for best performance. The model is small, so it has less room for mistakes on the building bench.

If you buy the ARF it's already too heavy.

Build the kit, be really careful to replace heavy wood with light wood, make sure it is accurately aligned and it'll fly very well for a small model.

I can say, and the only reason I've posted, is that I have coached and offered trimming suggestions to three people flying these, two were ARFs and one was built up from plans or a kit and finished a little heavy. All had some small alignment problems and all were too heavy for the size of the model, changing to smaller, lighter wheels, wood props and plastic spinners and smaller, lighter mufflers were the usual because they all were noseheavy. After some time at trimming and coaching the pilots the models were producing better flights than before and the model seems to fly pretty well. I test flew one for several flights and it responded well to all of the trim changes and eventually flew a lot like an SV11 which I flew many of a friends in the 90's, this is just smaller. All were IC.

Mid 40 oz for an IC model and 50 oz for an electric seem good to me, I always felt it would fly really well at 42 oz like a Nobler and able to perform adequately for local contests at 47 oz just from my limited observations.

Chris...

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2016, 12:42:06 PM »
My Vector ARF weighs 50oz, LA 40, APC 11.5 x 4 prop, no fuel. Fly's great.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2016, 01:09:51 PM »
Al,
Is yours balanced pretty far aft? The reason I ask is that all of the SoCal versions I flew were nose heavy and we went big at reducing weight in the front and you're using a light engine but heavy prop. Lack of corner due to cg was a big problem these were experiencing. Did you add weight to the tail, or it just worked out?
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2016, 01:27:45 PM »
The Vector 40 and all the other  SV  40  planes  were designed to use engines like"
Aero Tigers
TT 36
Magnum 36
Enya 40XlZ
Brodak 40
and several others  of   similar weights , 7.9 to 8.5 oz,    when using a 10, 11, 13 or 14 ounce power package you will need to adjust  things.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2016, 02:28:57 PM »
     There are really NO bad airplanes out there, only individuals with different levels of ability in both building and flying. There is NO one airplane that will take a beginner and make an advanced level flyer out of them. It is possible, for a beginner to fly a properly built, and trimmed model just to see, feel and experience what he is trying to achieve, and that can be very beneficial. It is also beneficial for a beginner/intermediate level flyer with a decently built and trimmed airplane, to have an expert level flyer fly his model so he can observe it from out side the circle. This is often an eye opener, and it was for me when I did it many years ago. If you are having any issues, and the expert flies the model with out any issues, it shows you that the problem may not lie with the airplane! These days, if an airplane is worth the effort to design, draw, engineer, and produce as a kit, you have to feel comfortable that it is a design capable of doing the job. Not like in the 50's and 60's when this was all coming about and new planes were coming on the market all the time. I always encourage a new person to pick a design that he or she likes the look of, or has heard/read a lot about, and stick with it for a few seasons. By building several, you are learning and perfecting skills needed for any model airplane, and you get used to what you need to do to make a particular design perform. Each model should be better than the previous one. Keeping with the same design or "numbers" greatly helps in the trimming process, to a point where you should be able to confidently build the model, finish it, bench trim it, and fly the maiden flights and can confidently do the pattern right from the first flight. If you want to change up on something and are just a bit tired of building Vector 40s as they come out of the box, keep all the important numbers the same, and change out lines and cosmetics and you have a "new" airplane but can feel the same confidence as if it was the fifth one in a row. I only have to point to Bob  Gieske or Randy Smith and his SV series as proof of this. I have mentioned often of a guy here in St. Louis that built a box stock Twister with an FP.40 and started out in beginner and used that same airplane to fly in expert contests and beat guys flying piped ships. The secret was he burned the equivalent of several 55 gallon drums of fuel and wore out four engines, and rebuilt the same airplane a few times so he was so familiar with the airplane and how it should be trimmed I think he could fly it in his sleep. Familiarity breeds confidence, and that leads to success. I just don't think you get the same effect by building a Vector 40 this month, then go down the road to a legacy or Legacy .40 next month, then jump around to a Cardinal of any size, then go to any of the dozens of models we have available to use these days. I think we really are very lucky to have the we have these days in plans, kits, and power plants. You should be able to find a combination that makes you feel comfortable and confident. Just don't use the shot gun method and hope the next plane you want to build is the one that will make your score jump 150 points, because it won't if you haven't done some of the other work that it takes to make that happen. No one design will do that.
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2016, 02:45:58 PM »
The Vector 40 and all the other  SV  40  planes  were designed to use engines like"
Aero Tigers
TT 36
Magnum 36
Enya 40XlZ
Brodak 40
and several others  of   similar weights , 7.9 to 8.5 oz,    when using a 10, 11, 13 or 14 ounce power package you will need to adjust  things.

Randy

   It even works with a Fox 40 Large Case.

    Brett

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2016, 03:20:16 PM »
   It even works with a Fox 40 Large Case.

    Brett

yep   your right, and small compact case   Fox 40s   ...  and also  motors  like  LA46s, and Tower 40s, Mag GP44s   and many others,  but  they are easier  to keep in balance  using 8 ounce motors

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #40 on: November 28, 2016, 03:38:21 PM »
I had two ARF's when I was in college.  The first one I flew with an LA 46 and it flew good until I smashed it in high winds at a King Orange my sophomore year.  I put together another one after that and put a PA 40UL and pipe in it.  That airplane flew awesome right up until the wing folded in spectacular fashion at a contest in Huntersville.  It's a great flying airplane, and as long as it's straight, light, and powered reliably, you can't go wrong with this design.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2016, 03:44:42 PM »
I fly a Vector 40 electric using Thunder Power 4 cell 2500 batteries at the advanced level here in district 8, (Most of the advanced fliers in this area fly .40 size models so it compeats in class very well) It is a great model and probably the best flying model I have for calm conditions. This year in 7 contests I placed 1st or second in 6 out of 7 for reference in the advanced level. My Vector is light using mostly the kit wood and actually a little light for windy weather as down here we get a lot of wind and turbulence at many contest sites. If that is the conditions at a contest I switch to a heavier, larger and more powerful model that penetrates better and isn't so vulnerable to the turbulence we experience here.
  At the expert level no one is flying a smaller model ( .40 size) competitively in district 8. Is it a disadvantage? I believe it is from a presentation perspective. At the expert level the judges are consistently seeing the bigger models flying longer lines and the maneuvers are larger as a result. When a small model comes into that circle it may fly a excellent pattern but the judges have to adjust visually for smaller maneuvers and depending on the experience of the judges you can end up loosing points from the perception that your flying to tight. I fly 6-7 contests a year and have studied the results closely as I hope to move up to expert in a year and that has been my observance. If you want to be taken seriously you have to have the whole presentation at the expert level and that includes a model equal to or better then what your competing against. It's a bias but a understandable one as the judges get certain references after a day looking at the same size models and changing that requires a adjustment. The bigger models do penatrate better in windy conditions. There where no small models Below .60-.77 size or electric equivalent at the USA team selections here in Katy Texas last year of the 19 models flown as a reference to top level competition.

 Note: mine is a stock Brodak Kit I won at a contest, not a ARF or ARC but a full kit. I added the Brodak electric conversion kit. It required about 1 oz of tail weight ready to fly. If I move up to expert down the road it will make a excellent practice/backup model. It is truly a excellent flying design and looks good for appearance points when well finished.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2016, 05:11:46 PM »
Hey I'm no Expert ,but recently I flew a friend's Vector built from a kit powered by a very nice OS LA 46 and it flew beautifully. I'd recommend it!....PhillySkip

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #43 on: November 30, 2016, 08:49:24 AM »
I had an ARC that was powered with a Byron Barker Magnum 36/RSM 10x6/Scott Dinger muffler. Very good combo and the model flew really well, though I don't know what it weighed. Lost it in a low pull-out up at Oshkosh.

Word on the street is Brodak is rereleasing the ARF/ARC early next year. It would be interesting to see if the quality is any better or worse. I was rather unhappy with the Ringmaster electric ARF. Good for it's intended purpose but it came out heavy as well.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2016, 09:20:11 AM »
Al,
Is yours balanced pretty far aft? The reason I ask is that all of the SoCal versions I flew were nose heavy and we went big at reducing weight in the front and you're using a light engine but heavy prop. Lack of corner due to cg was a big problem these were experiencing. Did you add weight to the tail, or it just worked out?
Thanks...
Hi Chris,
            My balance point is 3" back from the wings leading edge at the center of the fuselage with no extra tail weight. On the engine I use a Great Planes plastic spinner and Randy's tube muffler. Lap times are 5.1 on 61 ft lines eyelet to eyelet, Powermaster GMA 10-22 fuel, .285 OS Venturi, .156 Tigre spray bar, OS A3 plug.
 I'm not a stunt expert but get a lot of complements on how well the plane fly's.

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2016, 05:14:32 PM »
I can say without question the Vector .40 is a superlative stunt ship.  Why, I borrowed a plastic covered ARF one with some kind of dinky little .40 for the Great American Arf-Off this year and, following a single needle checking flight,  thoroughly thumped Mr. Buck who was flying some sort of hairy chested piped .60 powered Super Stunter.  Tough to argue with that sort of one sided outcome!   y1 y1 Z@@ZZZ

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #46 on: November 30, 2016, 06:33:59 PM »
I thought you said super laxative for a minute there.


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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #47 on: November 30, 2016, 06:41:37 PM »
I can say without question the Vector .40 is a superlative stunt ship.  Why, I borrowed a plastic covered ARF one with some kind of dinky little .40 for the Great American Arf-Off this year and, following a single needle checking flight,  thoroughly thumped Mr. Buck who was flying some sort of hairy chested piped .60 powered Super Stunter.  Tough to argue with that sort of one sided outcome! 

   Actually, it was an electric weenie motor not a manly enigne. And it was hardly the first time you beat me in a stunt contest.

     Brett

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #48 on: November 30, 2016, 07:16:51 PM »
Hey,
I thought that Ted guy was retired from stunt competition and now I hear him beating up on people in competition...hardly seems fair does it!   LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~

Gotta' stop people from loaning him airplanes.  That'll fix it!   ;D

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2016, 10:23:20 AM »
Have to watch out for those old codgers. LL~ LL~
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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #50 on: December 01, 2016, 05:49:58 PM »
  Actually, it was an electric weenie motor not a manly enigne. And it was hardly the first time you beat me in a stunt contest.

     Brett

Well, shoot.  If we're gonna do that boring "truth" shtick I suppose I have to admit it was a 1/3 of a point whoopin' and, given The Buck's power train was borrowed from an electric pencil sharpener motivated by three AAA batteries wrapped up in plastic shrink wrap he may have been competing with a modest two stroke a side handicap.  

In the spirit of the thread, by the way, the pencil sharpener "not an enigne" was mounted in yet another Vector 40 (milliamps????).

Ted

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #51 on: December 01, 2016, 05:53:49 PM »
Here's my two cents on the Vector 40: I've seen quite a number of them fly, and they all seem to fly outstandingly well. Better yet, their owner/pilots all seem to love them. I can tell you all this much - I get a large number of orders for sheeted foam wings for Vector 40s at Robin's View Productions. In a way it has become the new Nobler. Many people use the wing and tail and the mannequin of "numbers" of the Vector 40 and stretch new clothes (aesthetics) onto them. Just like they used to do with the Nobler to come up with an "original." Not a bad idea...

But, again, it is not just the design that counts, it's the execution of the build and the components used. It must be built light, straight, rigid, have a proper power plant, and a fully adjustable and robust control system to be a great plane... Just like any other great design.

Try one, you'll like it! - Bob Hunt

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #52 on: December 01, 2016, 06:01:06 PM »
I thought you said super laxative for a minute there.


MM

MotorMale

just figgered that out after reading it the third time.  Good one!

Ted

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Re: How good is Vector 40???
« Reply #53 on: December 01, 2016, 06:42:46 PM »
 thoroughly thumped Mr. Buck who was flying some sort of hairy chested piped .60 powered Super Stunter.  Tough to argue with that sort of one sided outcome!   y1 y1 Z@@ZZZ

Ted
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