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Offline RK

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Evolution 36
« on: January 13, 2017, 08:18:40 PM »
I have just finished a Ringmaster and need an engine for it. I've seen the Evolution 36 on sale and I am wondering if anyone has used them & would it be a good fit for the Ringmaster? This is my first large size plane in many years.

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Re: Evolution 36
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2017, 08:21:48 PM »
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Re: Evolution 36
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2017, 08:43:52 PM »

 The Evo would be pretty big and heavy for a Ringmaster, like tying a brick to the nose. A good running .25 would be a much better choice.
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Re: Evolution 36
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2017, 10:12:57 PM »
^^ What they said.. y1

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Re: Evolution 36
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2017, 10:22:40 PM »
I built the Ringmaster because I had one way back in the 1960's with a Mc Coy 35. So I was thinking a new 35 would be OK but I guess the new engines have a lot more power than the old 35's? Should I be looking for new 19 or 25??

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Re: Evolution 36
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2017, 10:49:25 PM »
That depends.  A McCoy 35 would be a good choice if you can find one (they come up on eBay fairly often, but you may have to try more than once before you find a good one).  An OS 20FP is almost too much engine, but it'll work.  An OS 25LA is easy to get, and is definitely too much engine, but they're easy to tone down.

I don't know if an Enya 19 would work or not -- but there seem to be a bazzilion of them on eBay, probably because they don't wear out.

None of these engines I mention is in current production, but they're all available if you look.
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Re: Evolution 36
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2017, 02:22:14 AM »
I built the Ringmaster because I had one way back in the 1960's with a Mc Coy 35. So I was thinking a new 35 would be OK but I guess the new engines have a lot more power than the old 35's? Should I be looking for new 19 or 25??

      Modern engines have fantastically more effective "power" than old engines on a per-displacement basis. I have done extensive tests where an OS-20FP replaced a Fox 35 (a good Fox 35) and experienced dramatically better performance, almost to the point that no one believes me - until they try it themselves. The smaller engines run in a fast 2-stroke continuously, with 4" or less pitch to control the speed. The speed stability is *far far better* than a Fox doing a 4-2 break with a 6" propellor. And it won't shake the airplane to pieces.

     The 20FP or "new" 25LA is also a bit too too much for a Ringmaster. The Ringmaster on the RSM Kit box top was built by my friend Jim "Uncle Jimby" Aron. This airplane has a very good finish and once received a perfect 20point appearance score, so it's not feather-light. It originally had a Veco 19BB with a 10-4 prop. That pulled it around at about 4.2 second laps on 60-foot lines. It was a little uneven-running, and we replaced it with my well-worn 20FP ABC. Then it went 3.8 seconds a lap! Jim eventually got the speed in reason with stellar performance with about a 9.5-3.5 Bolly.

     Almost all the Ringmasters around here have used Veco 19's or OS20FPs. But one of the better fliers (and the one that set me on this experimenting with small engines) was a stock Sterling kit with a full opaque finish - and a OS 15FP! This airplane flew better than any Fox or McCoy Ringmaster we (David Fitzgerald and I) had flown at the time.

    I would search the archives for "Brett 20FP 25LA" for more than you would ever want to know about these engines and much more. Also search "ringmaster elevator travel" and "ringmaster wing failure". One problem we have encountered is, once you get these very superior engines, even if you get the speed into the normal stunt range, is that the engine permits so much tighter corners that the wings can fail. Particularly if you are extra-clever and set up to build the airplane super-light. 

     And Evolution 36 can probably produce close to 3 times the power of a McCoy 35, and there's no practical way to harness that power on a tiny little Ringmaster with any commonly available propellor. 

      Brett

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Re: Evolution 36
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2017, 01:55:38 PM »
The weight is the determining factor here as I see it.    If you are just learning the EVO will work while you work on a bigger plane.   If you haven't purchased the EVO yet, look for a good 25 size engine.   Then you will have an engine that will work on most of the kits available.
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2017, 02:06:59 PM »
Heck I just picked up a .25fp at a local hobby shop used for $25..great compression and all... good deals are out there and the knowledge here is never ending on getting the engine to run perfect!

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Re: Evolution 36
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2017, 02:33:39 PM »
Speaking of small powerful modern engines (not for the ringmaster in this post) is the OS 32. I have one in a 50 ounce Brodak TBird 1 and it flies it with authority. I use the same prop on it as my OS FSR 40 ,OS la 40,and HP 40. That little engine is a real powerhouse!


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Re: Evolution 36
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2017, 02:33:56 PM »
Just looked on eBay and found a new OS MAX FP  20 for $68 with shipping.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OS-Max-20FP-Nitro-Engine-NEW-/112262566478?hash=item1a235ed24e:g:ELMAAOSwo4pYZnyG

Tower Hobby has the control line  venture $9.50 + shipping

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCW99&P=M

and the NVA for $13.50.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCR49&P=ML

So for under a $100 you can have a brand new OS MAX 20FP-S

You can put the unused RC carb back on eBay a recover a few bucks.

Also Brodak has a 25 that is a really good choice $110 or so.
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Re: Evolution 36
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2017, 07:28:52 PM »
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Re: Evolution 36
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2017, 10:08:28 PM »
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