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Drone crash in NYC
« on: February 05, 2016, 03:08:07 PM »
Some fool crashed his drone into the Empire State Building then tried to get the guards to help him get it back.

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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2016, 04:42:09 PM »
Wouldove to know,Was the guy registered with FAA? Did drone have his ID #?
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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2016, 06:52:21 PM »
He's about to become "That Guy"

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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2016, 07:16:57 PM »
Can hardly wait to see AMA's "spin" on this one!
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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2016, 08:15:39 PM »
Can hardly wait to see AMA's "spin" on this one!


They'd pretty much be forced to put it on the headlines of Model Aviation and condemn the guy for not being an AMA member (hopefully!) and not following the rules and common sense, wouldn't they?

I'm kinda hoping that he's registered with the FAA. That would be evidence that the FAA's system of registering doesn't prevent stupidity or enhance safety. OTOH, I'm kinda hoping that the guy didn't register with the FAA, which would be proof that the FAA's forcing people to register their toy won't mean that everybody will, just because the goobermint says they should. Look at how many goobermint employees are way behind in paying their income tax. How's that working?  >:( Steve
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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2016, 08:26:57 PM »
Yep, but let's suppose the guy IS a member of the Academy of Multirotors & ARFs.  What will they say then?  Same old same old?
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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2016, 09:07:39 PM »
Well, registering with the FAA seems to have given some of the nitwits a new lease on officialdom.  Last week I approached one such dunce flying his "drone" on the Cholla Choppers CL flying field which is located in a Tucson Parks and Recreation Department Park, and explained that flying R/C or Free flight aircraft in the park is forbidden by the Parks and Rec Department.  That is also clearly spelled out on a huge sign at the entrance side of the flying field.  Said "genius" told me that he was registered with the FAA and that meant He could fly wherever He wanted to.

I had no answer for that and just walked away laughing out loud!  The laughter must have had some effect since he very soon packed up and departed!  I then noticed a Tucson Police Cruiser driving around the park road, as they often do.  I guess he decided not to try his story on them.  
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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2016, 09:40:52 PM »
Some fool crashed his drone into the Empire State Building then tried to get the guards to help him get it back.

What happened to the days when someone would say, "Here's your drone back, and by the way, please don't do that again." I'm sure the man's antics jeopardized our national security and gave our enemies our most vital secrets, plus recklessly endangered our national airspace with potential to bring down a 400 passenger airbus and cause countless traffic tangles." (not). Why people get hysterical over the most trivial of things is mind boggling.

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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2016, 08:56:19 AM »
What happened to the days when someone would say, "Here's your drone back, and by the way, please don't do that again." I'm sure the man's antics jeopardized our national security and gave our enemies our most vital secrets, plus recklessly endangered our national airspace with potential to bring down a 400 passenger airbus and cause countless traffic tangles." (not). Why people get hysterical over the most trivial of things is mind boggling.

Well George, watch the news and read the paper and you'll see that it's a much more dangerous world today.  That's why people are much less trusting of idiots now!

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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2016, 11:36:06 AM »
Maybe registration makes people feel they have "official" permission to do anything they please?  Government sanction, you know.

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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2016, 01:52:15 PM »
An idiot wrapped in a moron.

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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2016, 02:29:38 PM »
I am sorry ...I too hate my government BUT

I am with George on this

When I was a kid I did terrible stupid things and some times the Old curmudgeon screwed with my life---- but many times a kind dad or mother just knew I was an ignorant kid and tried to help me understand and teach me as did my own parents

Most of these, perhaps too many, neo millennials are just ignorant -----and for what ever reason lack critical thinking skills -----again I still blame many of US for not objecting loudly many years ago when we KNEW the future was bound to have this bad behavior

I was 16 years old when Herb Cain San Francisco Chronicle columnist ( I delivered) was talking about unintended consequences of many 1970s things like welfare and his musings stuck with me, and over 30~50 + years later have proven true

he mostly asked OUT LOUD about----- if we provide a certain safety net for folks, would we not end up eventually with a Large segment of society that now becomes so dependent that they can no longer fend for them selves, nor think for themselves, nor ever be actual producers instead of constant drains on resources

I run into folk every day who have no perception at all about personal responsibility, and I am usually astounded that they are not teens or even thirty--- am seeing 50 year old men/women who think they can do what ever the hell they want and screw you if you disagree

 
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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2016, 04:13:25 PM »
Yes Fred, it is scarey and I agree...

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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2016, 04:42:23 PM »
Couldn't agree more! I see it every day hereabouts, in my sparsely settled corner of central valley California.

Nary the 'progressive' vein of the Bay Area, but we have more than our share of carpet baggers, no accounts and social dependents. And not a modeler in the bunch.

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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2016, 04:58:02 PM »
Considering that it landed (ended up) on the 35th floor, it was nearly 400 feet AGL. I sure would not have wanted to be on the sidewalk below if it fell all the way to the ground! y1 Fortunately no one got hurt. Stupid stunts that only hurt the fool doing it are fine. We have all probably been there and done that. When something puts other people at risk it should not happen.

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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2016, 07:53:57 PM »
We will probably start seeing TV ads by lawyers saying something like "If you have been injured by a drone, call us"
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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2016, 07:55:53 PM »
First it was WA,DC...No model flying within 30 miles.  Next it will be NYC...followed by ?  The first time some person is harmed the hammer will come down hard.
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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2016, 08:04:41 PM »
Well, I don't understand why there are some people who continually blame themselves or "society" for the mean or foolish actions of others.

People who do stupid things that endanger the activities or lives of others are to blame for their actions and should be held responsible for it.  No I'm not talking about errant 10 year old kids that do basically harmless but foolish things I'm talking about people who definitely know better but just don't have the responsibility to care about other people and don't even think about what their actions may mean to them.  The world is full of idiots like that today and "we" are not to blame.  They are!  For whatever reason they choose to ignore the rules of common sense and law and should be chastised for it.  Without that no society can continue to exist!  If you don't believe that just watch the films of Furgeson!!

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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2016, 10:03:55 PM »
Well George, watch the news and read the paper and you'll see that it's a much more dangerous world today.  That's why people are much less trusting of idiots now!

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2016, 07:12:03 AM »
I agree George,  I seldom watch the news as those supposedly educated people can't get it right. 
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2016, 08:41:10 AM »
I agree George,  I seldom watch the news as those supposedly educated people can't get it right.

We live in a world that seems to have lost their common sense. Hazmat team is called out because a student peed on park grass. Child is suspended from school for bringing in a steak knife so he can eat the steak in his home lunch his mother prepared. Nail cutters are eliminated during airport boarding procedures because they are considered weapons. Child of Mideastern ethnic appearance suspended from school for bringing in a successfully constructed digital clock kit considered as an IED detonating device. Signs in school yards banning bicycles, skates & skate boards, model cars & airplanes, stating no running with a hysterical punch line, "Have Fun!". Excessive fines toward otherwise law abiding citizens for breaking so called environmental laws when a misdemeanor would be sufficient. There are more.

I don't watch the news except occasionally, because of agendas. 10 years ago, while in Japan I found watching BBC Australia more informative and less biased on US news than US telecasts. But as of late, I find that BBC is no better. Independent TV news networks are almost non-existent. It used to be that at least newspapers were independent. Then I found that one Seattle magnate was purchasing newspaper companies in the name of philanthropy. All main media is controlled.

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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2016, 09:21:10 AM »
Randy

You are correct sir     "for whatever reason they choose to ignore the rules of common sense and law and should be chastised for it.  Without that no society can continue to exist! "

And I did not mean to excuse this behavior ....just a roll eyes and head shake at some of OUR comments about these idiots / stupids, or just ignorant people

way back when I was teenage in the Oakland Bay area, mid late 60s, I seem to remember the debates about food stamps and welfare.  I remember the Guy I mention above and many other "Right Wing Conservatives" and other "establishment" talking heads cautioning that once we make folks dependent they will never learn and grow and become productive; leading to generations of the same.
Perhaps even you were one of those voices.... now 4 decades later we do have generations of ignorant people and many are indeed stupid

I was too young at the time to realize that I was being manipulated by the ultra liberal socialists in the Berkeley San Fran area to believe many notions that were patently false
Like communal life, screwing "The Man" because he represented greed and evil, calling policemen pigs was OK, disrespecting your parents etc etc.

Of course I was an Army brat so my dad took the time to apply pain and logic and try to keep me from totally becoming a complete stoned hippie idiot and thankfully the pain and logic stuck

That we had three decades after the first ten years of that non sense; and we know it is a failed policy that is detrimental to society...yet we never seem to be able to elect anything but idiots and we seem unwilling to demand that failed policies be scrapped and a new solution found. Much less the stomach to ever determine that a thorough cleaning house of Congress is needed--- by not electing ANY incumbent for a few cycles

As we exceed 51% dependency, and as noted, greater and greater numbers of citizens willfully ignore common sense or the law....yes as a society we have greater problems ahead

The idiot in this story may just be one of the millions we have educated to believe that they may do anything and it is OK

Hell the president of the USA will not command the Justice department to investigate and prosecute violators of some of our established laws....crap if the top guy won't follow the law why should any one do so?....dripping sarcasm
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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2016, 10:03:28 AM »
Deled;  I forgot this is a model airplane forum.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2016, 10:32:15 AM by Jim Kraft »
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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2016, 05:07:13 PM »
I'm not sure whether political comments on a model airplane forum or just plain black/white thinking are most distressing, but it just may be the latter. If you support any particular "ism" as the only right way to think and post that philosophy, then your post is probably inappropriate to this forum - or anywhere else. Extremes are not usually good thinking, especially when people of any given side are too often ignorant of where the extremes actually lie. This thread that could have gone toward positive observations - thinking toward remedying what we ALL see as a problem or potential problem - is really difficult to keep on topic, especially when we want to discuss the causes, and I think it's wandered "off path" a bit. One thing I've come to believe is that regardless of how a person has come to be what he is, there comes a point where he just must be handled for what he IS. All the sociological and political aspects do need addressing, but the problems of the moment cannot be handled on a 20-year plan, and mythical 4-year plans don't cut it. It takes a L-O-N-G time to build something, but a relatively short time to destroy it.

SO,...I think we need to focus on how to handle these guys and how to keep them from inflicting damage on the CL community and, yeah, civil rights too. At the moment, it seems that even though they scarcely notice us and the FAA is surprised to know we exist, we are not targetted as fliers who need to register with the FAA. They just don't seem to know exactly how to say that.

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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2016, 08:44:52 PM »
Great points, but now go to the Registration Required posting and drop down to today's comments on page 4.  it has an on site FAA person telling some CL types that they HAVE TO REGISTER. No if, and or but about it. The FAA says all modelers, which in his words no longer are considered modelers, but users of the Nation's air space.  Better sign up now, there is only about 12 days  left to be legal!
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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2016, 09:04:03 PM »
I agree to a point Serge. But we all have convictions about things, and those cannot be changed. If they can they were never convictions in the first place. I have a thing about stealing from people that work, and giving it to those that won't. I have a great many other convictions that cannot be changed. These are absolutes that I live by. Many things are not absolutes, and are in that grey area that so many people seem to be in these days. Not everything is black and white, but some things are. This country was based on people that had convictions, and that is why we have a constitution. But the constitution is no good if we do not follow it.

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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2016, 09:46:48 PM »
Nope, the guy endangered peoples lives and violated Fed airspace law. He should be arrested and fined...just like the NEW law says.  I was clipped in the back of the head by a Gentle Lady rc glider years back. It knocked me silly and I crashed the rc plane I was flying at the time. I imagine a drone falling from altitude to the base of the Empire State Building could do serious injury or death. I have no mercy for that drone flyer and he is a prime example of why the new regs were written in the first place.  Making an example of him might get the attention of a few drone flyers and make them think of the consequences of unsafe flight.
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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2016, 02:53:35 PM »
I hope they fry this clown.

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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2016, 03:33:49 PM »
Many laws are made to protect most citizens from the fuzzy thinking  of the rest.  I know, a lot of people would like to see all governments and their powers dissolve to nothingness.  This is the definition of anarchy.  I personally feel protected by laws which sometimes appear to restrict personal freedoms.  But all freedom would disappear without those laws.

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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2016, 04:35:21 PM »
I agree Floyd, except when the government gets to big it becomes oppressive. We do have a constitution to go by, and government by the people for the people. So about all we can do is vote. We certainly do need laws and rules to go by. One of those laws that the government is supposed to do to protect us is to protect the border. Maybe it is just me but I don't see that happening.
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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2016, 10:25:20 AM »
I know this is probably too political, but I think all our so called educated people in DC and the states need to go study the constitution again, not once but several times.  Maybe if they had we wouldn't be in the mess we are in.  I know I didn't vote for what we have now and that includes the state I'm in.

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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2016, 10:35:05 AM »
Sounds as though this was a job for King Kong.(lol)

On a more serious note, some bozo crashed a multi-rotor while trying to film the recent Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in NYC.
It was briefly confiscated by the NYPD, then returned  to the owner-as per the news.
Bozo resides in Florida and according to the news, he was accompanied by his father who was visiting from Russia.

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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2016, 03:24:53 PM »
Many laws are made to protect most citizens from the fuzzy thinking  of the rest.  I know, a lot of people would like to see all governments and their powers dissolve to nothingness.  This is the definition of anarchy.  I personally feel protected by laws which sometimes appear to restrict personal freedoms.  But all freedom would disappear without those laws.

F.C.

I pretty much agree, Floyd. The Constitution guarantees rights and denies others, states included, from infringing on them. I have a friend who doesn't like governments because of some of their representatives' and functionary's behaviors. I just point out that no two people can interact constructively, without some tacitly agreed or stated rules of conduct. That is "government" already. When people agree on behavior, that's government. As current and past history shows, once a government - good or bad - is taken down, there's a good possibility that what comes next is pretty bad. That's when it's up for grabs. We just have to be sure that laws favoring "good" people do not deny rights to citizens, including themselves.

So we need to watch the FAA as well as ourselves. I meant in my previous post that we need to deal with these people as they come to us and for what they ARE. This NYC guy has not just broken laws, but as several have pointed out, he has endangered people needlessly and with a sort of naive arrogance. There have to be a lot more like him (we have one who comes to our main flying circle and violates the restrictions against RC flying at the fairgrounds). The problem is dealing with them and the problems they pose now, with an eye to the future: the precedents we set that have farther reaching effects than just those concerning aircraft. Media types found this incident entertaining, and therefore salable, but they have yet to demonstrate a real grasp of the consequences. When they do, let's hope that the sound-byte mentality does not bring more of the simplistic garbage that accompanies aeronautical subjects crashing down on us.

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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2016, 01:05:12 PM »
"There have to be a lot more like him (we have one who comes to our main flying circle and violates the restrictions against RC flying at the fairgrounds)."

Dial 911 and let the police do their job.  y1 Steve   
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Re: Drone crash in NYC
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2016, 12:40:19 PM »
I agree George,  I seldom watch the news as those supposedly educated people can't get it right.

Not a matter of incompetent reporting, rather that of agendas by owners of the networks. Regardless, I do the same and don't get wrapped up in news reports. There are more things worthy of our attention.


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