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Offline Dennis Leonhardi

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Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« on: November 27, 2016, 08:22:32 PM »
Forgive my deviation - I'm guessing there is a good mix of users here (many of whom may be somewhere near my age), and I would really like to find something better than the current iteration of Outlook for emails.

Any suggestions, based on your own experience?

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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2016, 09:11:37 PM »
I've used Thunderbird E-mail client by Mozilla, makers of the Firefox Internet browser. It will handle both POP3 and MAPI protocols.

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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2016, 09:14:00 PM »
I used to use a program called Pegasus,, it was simpler the OUtlook,, that was a few years back though.
its a shame they stopped supporting Outlook express
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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2016, 09:46:49 PM »
G-mail is very popular. I've considered making the switch (from Yahoo). Yahoo seems to change stuff every few months, for the sake of change. I guess it's probably job security for software writers. Very irritating. They're bugging me now to change my password. Probably not a bad idea, actually.  :-\ Steve
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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2016, 09:59:57 PM »
I have used Netaddress (Actually Net@ddress) email for years and love it. Very user friendly, archives your mail in a logical and easy to use fashion, inexpensive. Easy to attach documents. FAR easier to use and more intuitive than Gmail, which I also use because it is what we have to use at work. I hate Gmail.

Your user name will be something like "yourname(at)usa(dot)net" if you go with Net@ddress. 

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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2016, 11:25:06 PM »
I'm curious to know what you dislike about Outlook.  I've tried a lot of what's out there and keep coming back to Outlook as my favorite!


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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2016, 07:07:44 AM »
I use Thunderbird.

I am bit concerned/paranoid/whatever about where my e-mail resides: who can browse it, who is responsible for keeping it archived, etc. Consequently, my e-mail 'pattern' is to use Thunderbird and a POP3 account to my website hosting account to download all of my e-mail to my at-home computer. I do NOT leave the e-mail on the server but delete it as soon as downloaded.

I also use a IMAP account that accesses the same server account and I use it when I am away from my home computer for short trips. I read the mail that arrives, delete the junk/etc. but leave the 'keeper' messages in  the inbox. When I return home, I then use the POP3 account and all is downloaded. If I leave home for an extended time, such as the NATs or VSC or something, I cross-load the Thunderbird files to a laptop that goes with me, and then return any changes to the home computer when I return.

I also use the IMAP account to keep an eye on the SPAM folder at the server. SPAM is identified there and never makes it to my home system. I periodically browse the SPAM folder looking for any false positives and then delete all of the folders content.

Bottom line: I have all of my e-mail on my personal machines, it only exists on the server briefly. All archiving is my own, I have immediate access to my whole 25+ years of e-mail if necessary. (Kind of interesting to go back and look at some conversations from the late 90's or early 00's!  :) )

BTW: nobody needs to tell me that I cannot achieve privacy, I have seen and heard all the arguments.  HB~>
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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2016, 11:45:43 AM »
I'm curious to know what you dislike about Outlook.  I've tried a lot of what's out there and keep coming back to Outlook as my favorite!


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Randy, I could almost write a book in response.    :)

First major problem has been "here today, gone tomorrow", requiring lengthy repair or re-install.  Or, it seems to lose track of my contacts for a day or two.

Actually the biggest issue for me is the contacts.  I have a huge number in connection with the eBay store and other activities.  I use multiple email accounts, and Outlook wants to associate each contact with a specific email account.  I move them all to a group in the Outlook data file, but then entering the contact into a "To" line on an email, for example, becomes a time-consuming search.

I've also sorted contacts by Last, First names for years.  Outlook wants the full name on a single line.

After using Windows Live Mail and its much better contact handling, formatting options, yada yada, Outlook is a real bummer for me.  We're also experiencing in recent months all too frequent "Internet Explorer has stopped working" messages on all 4 of our computers.

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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2016, 11:52:19 AM »
Being a Comcast Cable customer, we use their e-mail services for family stuff and I use g-mail
for all my flying and boating e-mail.

Never had any problems with either.

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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2016, 12:33:48 PM »
Gmail and Yahoo are not email programs, they are email accounts ( basically put)

I believe what he is looking for is technically called an email CLIENT... a program that manages your email..
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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2016, 01:18:07 PM »
Yeah... Outlook can be a little irksome, because it has evolved to do so much. But after reading your second response, you also want a lot out of it too, so you are kind of a power user.

First thing to understand, is that while people visualize all our email, contacts, calendar, etc. as separate items, they are as you note, all in a single Outlook.pst data file. Depending on how old your version of Outlook, this data file would go KABOOM at 2gigabytes, or 20gigabytes. In order to fix it, you had to run the outlook repair tool, which would truncate your data file, and lop off the overage, leaving you with random data loss.

What I would suggest, depending on your ISP and how much data you have, cost of online storage, and if upgrades are costly or not, is to download the Outlook backup add-in free from Microsoft, plus create new Achive datafiles with their own subfolders, separate from your main Outlook.pst  and store the bulk of everything there except your active inbox, or...

OR... much much better still, (it will usually cost you 5 to 10 bucks a month, but may be worth it depending on how much you value your sanity) is get a Hosted Exchange account. The beauty of Hosted Exchange, is that your local data file becomes just a mirror of the online data file, and when you install your email on other devices like your smartphone, etc, your full email subfolder tree, calendar, contacts etc. look exactly as your desktop. You also get OWA (Outlook Web Access) which you can pull up your same email and tree, cal, etc. in a web view from any pc with a browser. Plus, it is backed up for you and mostly worry free with a good ISP. Many side benefits include the fact that your ISP will pre-scan for junk mail, spam, malware, virus, etc. You have much more control over email contact distribution lists, etc. as well.

One last tidbit. I can't tell you how many people "think" they have all their contacts stored, that in fact, do not. They have many cached email addresses they have previously typed, and are just memorized in something Microsoft calls the nickname cache.

In Outlook, this is similar to the browser form-filling autocomplete cache that remembers when you go on-line and fill something out that requires your street address, so when you pull up a web page next time and start to fill in out, AutoComplete pops up and fills in the blanks for you. This, in older versions of Outlook was stored in something hidden on your hard drive call an NK2 file. When people upgraded to Outlook 2010 and newer, the NK2 file did NOT automatically convert and people assumed they "lost" email addresses. Not so, they lost the cached addresses they previously typed, but never created contacts for. This NK2 file can actually be manually imported from your old PC or outlook hidden folder with a tool you can download for free from the Microsoft support site.

And that as they say, is the rest of the story.
Hope it helps someone,
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Randy, I could almost write a book in response.    :)

First major problem has been "here today, gone tomorrow", requiring lengthy repair or re-install.  Or, it seems to lose track of my contacts for a day or two.

Actually the biggest issue for me is the contacts.  I have a huge number in connection with the eBay store and other activities.  I use multiple email accounts, and Outlook wants to associate each contact with a specific email account.  I move them all to a group in the Outlook data file, but then entering the contact into a "To" line on an email, for example, becomes a time-consuming search.

I've also sorted contacts by Last, First names for years.  Outlook wants the full name on a single line.

After using Windows Live Mail and its much better contact handling, formatting options, yada yada, Outlook is a real bummer for me.  We're also experiencing in recent months all too frequent "Internet Explorer has stopped working" messages on all 4 of our computers.

Dennis  







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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2016, 04:52:48 PM »
I use incredimail and love it.  I have used it for many years now and would hate to have to change.
It downloads my messages from my centurylink account in such a manner as to not leave them at centurylink, which I like.  Also, it has a much nicer presentation than any of the others I have seen. 
It is a free download from incredimail.com  The spam filter is the best I've ever used.
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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2016, 06:55:25 AM »
Thanks guys!

A couple of points I probably should have included:

I understand the importance of backing up files.  I have an Excel spreadsheet for contacts; generally new contacts are first entered into that, then imported to the email software.  We're talking 3,000+ contacts.

I really need multiple accounts.  And Windows Live Mail has worked quite well for me over the past several years, so I'm sorry to see Microsoft discontinue support for it.

I don't mind paying a subscription fee.  I'm paying monthly for Adobe Acrobat and Microsoft Office 365 (3 computers), and would gladly purchase a software package to meet my needs.

The Hosted Exchange approach sounds good.  Any recommendations for a good ISP?
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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2016, 08:04:30 AM »
I have no vested interest in these guys, but recommend them often enough and clients are happy with them. There are many others to choose from as well, but Intermedia is prolly one of the larger and most stable of the bunch.

https://www.intermedia.net/products/exchange-hosting/pricing

EricV

Thanks guys!

A couple of points I probably should have included:

I understand the importance of backing up files.  I have an Excel spreadsheet for contacts; generally new contacts are first entered into that, then imported to the email software.  We're talking 3,000+ contacts.

I really need multiple accounts.  And Windows Live Mail has worked quite well for me over the past several years, so I'm sorry to see Microsoft discontinue support for it.

I don't mind paying a subscription fee.  I'm paying monthly for Adobe Acrobat and Microsoft Office 365 (3 computers), and would gladly purchase a software package to meet my needs.

The Hosted Exchange approach sounds good.  Any recommendations for a good ISP?

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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2016, 11:46:53 AM »
How well does MS Office 365 or Exchange Online email cope with large numbers of contacts?

Of course, they are primarily online-only browser based systems.
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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2016, 01:06:17 PM »
How well does MS Office 365 or Exchange Online email cope with large numbers of contacts?

Of course, they are primarily online-only browser based systems.

Exchange integrates fully with Outlook, giving you a local .OST file instead of a PST.

Yes, you can run via browser using OWA (Outlook Web Access), and never load Outlook software on a client. There is one minor advantage to that... and that is, file size limits of your local operating system do not come into play if you only use it via browser. What happens to some people, say running an old small FAT table O/S, might be limited to a 2gb local OST that could corrupt when it passes the limit, meanwhile the hosted exchange data will be fine and intact. You end up having to clear some of the "excess" or archive from your online data then dump your local OST and let it rebuild to match the hosted file, and all is well again. It sure beats loosing everything.

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Re: Completely Off Topic: Email Software
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2016, 01:42:15 AM »
Thunderbird from Mozilla Foundation +1 vote
pop3 and IMAP email protocols... easy to use etc

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