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Brodak Galaxy
« on: April 18, 2017, 08:06:07 AM »
The build if this plane is moving along nicely. But in my silliness I notice the plane take a .29-.35.

 I was thinking before hand a .25. Anyone that built and flown this ever tried with a .25? Don't ha e a scale so I can't weigh it. It doesn't seem much bigger than a Ringmaster.

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2017, 09:28:02 AM »
When I had mine, I had no 25's. I flew mine on Johnson small shaft 35's. It likes power, but the LA 25 should work.

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2017, 09:33:35 AM »
Mine came in at 27 oz complete with an LA-S 25, metal tank, aluminum back plate on the engine. The wheels are NOT super light weight.  It does about a 4.5 second lap on 60 ft lines. Finish is Silkspan SGM with a heavy coating of dope. Probably 8-10 coats. Way over powered with the LA 25. Don't put a 29-35 on unless you like to get dizzy.

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2017, 09:36:47 AM »
Thats what i like to hear.

 I was going to stick the Torpdeo .29 on it as the 3oz Uniflow tank fit perfect with it. Now I can stick that extra .25fp I have on it.  Thanks boys!
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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2017, 11:58:34 AM »
Thats what i like to hear.

 I was going to stick the Torpdeo .29 on it as the 3oz Uniflow tank fit perfect with it. Now I can stick that extra .25fp I have on it.  Thanks boys!


           I assure you....the Torpedo .29 (if it is the old Greenhead) would work beautifully with that particular plane.  I have 8 of those engines and have flown them, on and off, on Sterling Ringmasters, PDQ Flying Clown, PDQ Super Clown, Guillows Trixter B-C and a number of original designs for well over 50 years...since 1954 when I began C/L.  That particular engine is one of my favorites and will provide mild, but descent power for any airplane of that size, including the Brodak Galaxy.    D>K    H^^

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2017, 12:01:52 PM »
Well it isn't the greenhead u less the head was changed. I've never ran this engine as I've only had it a short while. Great compression tho.

  Can the engine run as is or do I need that little tank that bolts on the backplate?

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2017, 12:11:08 PM »

 Jamie, f you are going to use that Green Head engine, be sure to use a lot of castor in the fuel or it probably not last long.
 By a lot I mean at least 22-25% castor..

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Re: Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2017, 01:12:16 PM »
Jamie, f you are going to use that Green Head engine, be sure to use a lot of castor in the fuel or it probably not last long.
 By a lot I mean at least 22-25% castor..

  Good luck..
So I'd need to add castor to the 10-22 I already use?


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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2017, 02:10:54 PM »
To preserve the engine, you need 25% straight castor, no synthetic.

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 05:34:42 PM »
I would add that an LA25 has significantly more power than that old K&B 29...(a good running but pretty weak engine)
The LA25 with a 5-4 or 10-4 prop at about 10,000 RPM in a wet two stroke will just about double it's "power".

Definitely the best choice in my opinion, unless of course you just want to "play" with the old K&B.

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2017, 05:50:24 PM »
I would add that an LA25 has significantly more power than that old K&B 29...(a good running but pretty weak engine)
The LA25 with a 5-4 or 10-4 prop at about 10,000 RPM in a wet two stroke will just about double it's "power".

Definitely the best choice in my opinion, unless of course you just want to "play" with the old K&B.

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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2017, 08:03:44 PM »
Thankfully I have a .25LA blue. Also a handful of .25FP's that need a plane...

Just curious. Y'all think a .25FP with a 9x5APC would be an ok combination? Or y'all reckon it's safer to go with the .25LA?

 I'm abandoning the Torp. 29 idea. If anything I can put the Enya .29 (round venturi) 5224 in it ;). Or even a .25 FX ;)

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2017, 08:07:19 PM »
I would add that an LA25 has significantly more power than that old K&B 29...(a good running but pretty weak engine)
The LA25 with a 5-4 or 10-4 prop at about 10,000 RPM in a wet two stroke will just about double it's "power".

Definitely the best choice in my opinion, unless of course you just want to "play" with the old K&B.

Randy Cuberly


Hi All, 10,000rpm with a 10 x4" prop is flying at approx. 38mph;

this is ridiculously slow for the Galaxy design. The Guillows Galaxy was

designed as a Sport/Combat model; It turns as well as that 1950's

standard,  The FliteStreak.  Whichever engine you use, prop it to fly

70-80 mph. This is easily achievable with any late 1950's engine,

such as the ST 29-35BB, Johnson 29-35, K&B green head 29-35,

the OS Max-1 29-35s or the Veco late series 29-35 engines. Oh Dear,

how can I forget the many Fox Combat 35/36 engines?  These late 1950s

through early 1960s engines should be affixed with 9" X 7" props.

I'm not sure what prop would be best for your LA 25, I've never played with

one. I'll guess that an 8" x 6" would be effective or try a 9" x 6" if the LA 25

has the ability to swing that prop. Find out what the Speed Limit Combat

flyers are using on their LA 25s.  The only experience I have with an OS .25

is my OS 25 FSR, which is significantly more powerful than the latter LA series.

James, I do wish you much enjoyment and success with your Brodak Galaxy. ;D

Tony  :)


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Re: Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2017, 08:24:47 PM »

Hi All, 10,000rpm with a 10 x4" prop is flying at approx. 38mph;

this is ridiculously slow for the Galaxy design. The Guillows Galaxy was

designed as a Sport/Combat model; It turns as well as that 1950's

standard,  The FliteStreak.  Whichever engine you use, prop it to fly

70-80 mph. This is easily achievable with any late 1950's engine,

such as the ST 29-35BB, Johnson 29-35, K&B green head 29-35,

the OS Max-1 29-35s or the Veco late series 29-35 engines. Oh Dear,

how can I forget the many Fox Combat 35/36 engines?  These late 1950s

through early 1960s engines should be affixed with 9" X 7" props.

I'm not sure what prop would be best for your LA 25, I've never played with

one. I'll guess that an 8" x 6" would be effective or try a 9" x 6" if the LA 25

has the ability to swing that prop. Find out what the Speed Limit Combat

flyers are using on their LA 25s.  The only experience I have with an OS .25

is my OS 25 FSR, which is significantly more powerful than the latter LA series.

James, I do wish you much enjoyment and success with your Brodak Galaxy. ;D

Tony  :)
Thanks.  This plane is just gona be a fun sport flyer. So whatever will make it loop and whatnot works for me.

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2017, 09:53:20 PM »

Hi All, 10,000rpm with a 10 x4" prop is flying at approx. 38mph;

this is ridiculously slow for the Galaxy design. The Guillows Galaxy was

designed as a Sport/Combat model; It turns as well as that 1950's

standard,  The FliteStreak.  Whichever engine you use, prop it to fly

70-80 mph. This is easily achievable with any late 1950's engine,

such as the ST 29-35BB, Johnson 29-35, K&B green head 29-35,

the OS Max-1 29-35s or the Veco late series 29-35 engines. Oh Dear,

how can I forget the many Fox Combat 35/36 engines?  These late 1950s

through early 1960s engines should be affixed with 9" X 7" props.

I'm not sure what prop would be best for your LA 25, I've never played with

one. I'll guess that an 8" x 6" would be effective or try a 9" x 6" if the LA 25

has the ability to swing that prop. Find out what the Speed Limit Combat

flyers are using on their LA 25s.  The only experience I have with an OS .25

is my OS 25 FSR, which is significantly more powerful than the latter LA series.

James, I do wish you much enjoyment and success with your Brodak Galaxy. ;D

Tony  :)



I have no idea where you got your calculations for prop vs speed but can tell you with conviction that you are all wet!  I flew a ringmaster for old time for many years with LA25s on APC 10-3's and APC 10-4's.  flew the 10-4 at 10,200 to 10,400 RPM on 60 ft lines center of airplane to center of handle at 4.8 second laps,
and the 10-3 at 10,800 RPM on 60 ft lines at 4.6 to 4.7 second laps!!!

Better recalculate!

80 mph on 60 ft lines is what we fly for 80 mph combat and it is surprisingly fast.  I would think for stunt or sport flying you would be happier at about 55 to 60 mph.

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2017, 12:32:02 AM »
I guess you can put an LA25 on this. Lots of Streaks fly with them. Mine has a Tower40. Used it to fly the pattern first time. Hadn't done a Clover. Did a Clover in the official. It needs to fly at a minimum speed so that it doesn't mush the turns. Whatever that speed is for your given build. Twenty-seven ounces sounds lite. Good. I have been flying this plane for over 10 years. It has a tweener .273 intake. About 3.75 ounces per pattern. I run the tower in a fat two-stroke. It is bigger than a Streak. Wider wing. More span. The airfoil doesn't look as thick. The big elevator flapper will make the plane mush unless movement is restricted. I am so accustomed to this bird, it never feels fast. If I lean the Tower up it'll go at a good clip. Very enjoyable model.

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2017, 10:06:07 AM »
I have no idea where you got your calculations for prop vs speed but can tell you with conviction that you are all wet!  I flew a ringmaster for old time for many years with LA25s on APC 10-3's and APC 10-4's.  flew the 10-4 at 10,200 to 10,400 RPM on 60 ft lines center of airplane to center of handle at 4.8 second laps,
and the 10-3 at 10,800 RPM on 60 ft lines at 4.6 to 4.7 second laps!!!

Better recalculate!

80 mph on 60 ft lines is what we fly for 80 mph combat and it is surprisingly fast.  I would think for stunt or sport flying you would be happier at about 55 to 60 mph.

Randy Cuberly

Randy, you should recalculate, I've flown speed, Fast Combat, 80 mph Combat, Fai Combat, 1/2A Combat

mouse class one, Northwest Sport race and 1/2A proto Speed. The formula I used to calculate model speed

 is one given me by Dale Kirn, when I was testing my Cox TD .049 speed engine development. The formula

will get you very close to aircraft speed.....Not Lap times. The formula given proved very good

at calculating speed for setting up my 80 mph models. The formula involves engine rpm, prop pitch

and a constant. If this isn't enough experience for you, welp, what more can I say?

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2017, 11:08:15 AM »
Well it isn't the greenhead u less the head was changed. I've never ran this engine as I've only had it a short while. Great compression tho.

  Can the engine run as is or do I need that little tank that bolts on the backplate?

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          James...........Your Torp 29 appears to be one manufactured before they began painting the heads green.  Most of my Torp .29's are green heads, but I do have one of the silver heads.  There is no difference between the two engines.... except for the green paint on the head.  This engine will run fine just as it is using the normal wedge C/L tank.  The provision for a tank bolted to the back was for free flight use and is not needed for C/L.  If you want performance from the 1950's and 1960's and some of us nostalgia people enjoy that era performance very much as it is relaxing......low key......and a lot of fun.....you can use the Torp .29.  They are also very user friendly.  .....  Just feed these K&B Torps the same fuel you would feed a Fox .35 (25% to 28% castor oil and up to 15% nitro) and all will be well.    D>K    H^^
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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2017, 04:31:50 PM »
Randy, you should recalculate, I've flown speed, Fast Combat, 80 mph Combat, Fai Combat, 1/2A Combat

mouse class one, Northwest Sport race and 1/2A proto Speed. The formula I used to calculate model speed

 is one given me by Dale Kirn, when I was testing my Cox TD .049 speed engine development. The formula

will get you very close to aircraft speed.....Not Lap times. The formula given proved very good

at calculating speed for setting up my 80 mph models. The formula involves engine rpm, prop pitch

and a constant. If this isn't enough experience for you, welp, what more can I say?

Tony G    H^^

Too bad that with all that experience you still get so much wrong!
I started flying in 1951...I have flown just about every type of competition that the AMA has and some that they don't have and I can tell you with authority that flying a Galaxy on 60 ft lines at 80 mph is not going to be worth a lot if the intention is to be able to fly stunt!!!

I still fly stunt what do you still do Pup!

I knew Dale Kirn, nice guy but I strongly suspect he would agree with me...Incidentally I suspect you are the Welp as I'm 76 years old PUP!

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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2017, 07:02:48 PM »
No need for anyone to debate or dispute. Power plant is gona be the Enya .29 5224. OS.25 mounts are too close to the edge to drill. Enya .29 fits snug with plenty room to run bolts without worry.

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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2017, 07:15:58 PM »
No need for anyone to debate or dispute. Power plant is gona be the Enya .29 5224. OS.25 mounts are too close to the edge to drill. Enya .29 fits snug with plenty room to run bolts without worry.

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No debate James.  The Enya should work just fine.

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2017, 06:30:27 AM »
The stop watch does not lie! What we don't really know is the rpm in the air and, perhaps, the actual pitch. The formulas are really handy for ballpark numbers though.  TS

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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2017, 12:14:55 PM »
The stop watch does not lie! What we don't really know is the rpm in the air and, perhaps, the actual pitch. The formulas are really handy for ballpark numbers though.  TS

Yes, and in general the real drag numbers of the airplane and lines in varying conditions.  Some props are much more efficient than others regardless of assumed pitch.

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2017, 12:44:49 PM »
As I rapidly approach 62 years...I find it exceedingly funny how a 76 and a 75 year old can pee in each others mess kits.... very entertaining

Me on the other hand... with not nearly as much experience as my buddy Sean McEntee ( many years younger than I) find my self saying yes sir and no sir to my more experienced dear friend

I deliberately built several planes destined for my two Torp 35s...one Green...   

 I gotta say...nostalgia is fun, but the same craft with OS LA 25 is easier to start, fly, and NOT burn my face or fingers...

jest sayin

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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2017, 02:47:36 PM »
As I rapidly approach 62 years...I find it exceedingly funny how a 76 and a 75 year old can pee in each others mess kits.... very entertaining

Me on the other hand... with not nearly as much experience as my buddy Sean McEntee ( many years younger than I) find my self saying yes sir and no sir to my more experienced dear friend

I deliberately built several planes destined for my two Torp 35s...one Green...  

 I gotta say...nostalgia is fun, but the same craft with OS LA 25 is easier to start, fly, and NOT burn my face or fingers...

jest sayin
Haha Fred you crack me up with the first paragraph lol.


  I'll hang on to the Torp for a nostalgic plane one day.  This galaxy is going to be fitted with the screaming Enya .29

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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2017, 03:26:37 PM »
Can't say enough about how fond I am of the Galaxy.  Built one from the kit when it first came out and initially mounted a Green Head K&B .35 ...

Now pay attention James & others: Remember the exhaust on that old Torp and similar engines will be pointing UP - like, in your face.  Easy to flood if you prime the exhaust ...

Over the years I ran several different engines on mine.  Went to a park with a McCoy .35 Red Head mounted one day and let a friend fly it several times.  He had done nothing other than level flight at that point; by the end of the day he was doing loops, eights, and flying inverted.

The Galaxy is capable of very tight turns, but "grooves" much, much better than say a Flite Streak in my opinion.  Which is why that friend found it "easy to fly".

Speed: Late in '63 (as I recall) we had a large AAA contest here in Minneapolis.  Combat flown on a blacktop parking lot.  I mounted a 1959 Fox 29X plain bearing engine (of Proto Speed fame) on the Galaxy and finished 2nd, typically flying against Voodoos with Johnson Combat engines ... at least 2 of my opponents were silly enough to follow me in that "indecisive wingover" where they weren't sure if we'd finish upright or inverted - and augered into the parking lot when I pulled out very low.

Speed? I really wasn't giving up all that much speed.  And I can't begin to picture one flying at 38 mph!

It's a great all-around airplane - have fun, James!


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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2017, 05:08:16 PM »
Can't say enough about how fond I am of the Galaxy.  Built one from the kit when it first came out and initially mounted a Green Head K&B .35 ...

Now pay attention James & others: Remember the exhaust on that old Torp and similar engines will be pointing UP - like, in your face.  Easy to flood if you prime the exhaust ...

Over the years I ran several different engines on mine.  Went to a park with a McCoy .35 Red Head mounted one day and let a friend fly it several times.  He had done nothing other than level flight at that point; by the end of the day he was doing loops, eights, and flying inverted.

The Galaxy is capable of very tight turns, but "grooves" much, much better than say a Flite Streak in my opinion.  Which is why that friend found it "easy to fly".

Speed: Late in '63 (as I recall) we had a large AAA contest here in Minneapolis.  Combat flown on a blacktop parking lot.  I mounted a 1959 Fox 29X plain bearing engine (of Proto Speed fame) on the Galaxy and finished 2nd, typically flying against Voodoos with Johnson Combat engines ... at least 2 of my opponents were silly enough to follow me in that "indecisive wingover" where they weren't sure if we'd finish upright or inverted - and augered into the parking lot when I pulled out very low.

Speed? I really wasn't giving up all that much speed.  And I can't begin to picture one flying at 38 mph!

It's a great all-around airplane - have fun, James!


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Thanks bud.  I'm not going to use the Torp .29 like I initially wanted too.  I'll save for a OTS plane like a Vampire or something similar where it can mount upright. And if not that I'll try n trade it off or sell it later.

 I had the thought of using it as it was the only engine I had that I could mount and fit a 3oz. Uniflow between engine and wing and not have the prop stick out an inch or 2 from the nose lol.

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2017, 02:04:44 PM »
Because of the ribs getting cap strips, I've often wondered why more people don't sheet the Leading Edge like the one in this photo.

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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2017, 05:37:32 PM »
Too bad that with all that experience you still get so much wrong!
I started flying in 1951...I have flown just about every type of competition that the AMA has and some that they don't have and I can tell you with authority that flying a Galaxy on 60 ft lines at 80 mph is not going to be worth a lot if the intention is to be able to fly stunt!!!

I still fly stunt what do you still do Pup!

I knew Dale Kirn, nice guy but I strongly suspect he would agree with me...Incidentally I suspect you are the Welp as I'm 76 years old PUP!

Randy Cuberly

Not taking sides but your numbers are impossible.
 A true 3 pitch prop would have to be turning 19,677 RPM in the air to achieve a lap time of 4.6 seconds on 60' lines (55.9 MPH) @ 100 % efficiency (possible ?? but not probable) Even if that was ground RPM, unloading in the air to 19,677 is not doable. A true 4 pitch 14,757.6 RPM and a true 5 pitch 11,806 RPM at that speed and 100% efficiency. I have seen near 100 % efficiency on combat and racing propellers but that's likely due to pitch measuring error and those aircraft are a lot lower drag than a PA airplane.

I know you are a very experienced flier and have a great skill set but that doesn't trump real math and performance data.





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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2017, 07:18:22 PM »


Sorry but Stop watches don't lie and sometimes math with incorrect inputs and guessed at constants does.

I checked my notes from Flights long past and found some deviations in what I said before but not by anything like what you are saying.

RPM with the 10-4 APC was as high as 11,200 in some entries.  But the lap times were never higher than 4.9 seconds.

My ringmaster was very light (actually two different ones) and weighed 17.5 and 18.0 oz (without fuel) flying on .012 (cable), 60 ft center to center, flying lines!

18 % nitro in Tucson AZ at 2300 ft altitude. 

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« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2017, 07:59:30 PM »
Sorry but Stop watches don't lie and sometimes math with incorrect inputs and guessed at constants does.

I checked my notes from Flights long past and found some deviations in what I said before but not by anything like what you are saying.

RPM with the 10-4 APC was as high as 11,200 in some entries.  But the lap times were never higher than 4.9 seconds.

My ringmaster was very light (actually two different ones) and weighed 17.5 and 18.0 oz (without fuel) flying on .012 (cable), 60 ft center to center, flying lines!

18 % nitro in Tucson AZ at 2300 ft altitude. 

Randy Cuberly
            I didn't use any "constants" and there were no incorrect inputs. I did the math using real numbers like distance flown, RPM multiplied by true pitch, and distance covered by that pitch at that RPM to determine approximate speed. I assumed 100% prop efficiency for simplicity which is possible but not likely. Ground RPM readings are great for setting the needle and as a reference but are not the actual RPM the engine will turn in the air which depends on a lot of variables.
   In your example above 4.9 sec lap =52 MPH. At that speed with a true 4" pitch prop, in air RPM would be roughly 13,728 so 11,200 on the ground is a lot closer to a real scenario. In addition, APC props are very close to actual on a pitch gauge but have some "Phillips Entry" making the "true" pitch (through the airfoil datum) slightly higher than what's read on the gauge (& marked on the prop). Assuming slightly higher pitch then, your numbers for the 4" pitch prop are right on. My main reason for commenting was the data on the 3" pitch example. H^^
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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2017, 08:06:30 PM »
Curt - That is a sharp looking Galaxy !!!!

Jamie -   I really enjoy flying my old Torpedos,  favoring the .32,  but their design has a drawback on profiles in that you burn your fingers every time you set the needle valve.   You should enjoy the Galaxy, it is a pretty decent flyer.

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2017, 05:53:00 AM »
Curt - That is a sharp looking Galaxy !!!!

Jamie -   I really enjoy flying my old Torpedos,  favoring the .32,  but their design has a drawback on profiles in that you burn your fingers every time you set the needle valve.   You should enjoy the Galaxy, it is a pretty decent flyer.

Dalton



Dalton,

I used a leather glove when adjusting the Torp needle valve. I didn't use too many K&B in my youth simply because of that. I did mount a few inside with the tank on the outside with sometimes reasonable success if I could keep the fuel line short enough by drilling a hole through the fues and feeding it to the fuel nipple. Just was a problem with adding just enough lead to the outside wing.

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Re: Brodak Galaxy
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2017, 03:08:06 PM »
Hi Dennis

   I never tried mounting the Torps inboard but I might experiment a little on that.
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