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Offline Tony Drago

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707 Barrel roll
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Re: 707 Barrel roll
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2016, 01:15:31 PM »
You know Tony, it is because of guys like this with that kind of spirit and guts that made this country great.  Pushing the envelope to be the best we can be.  Every time I see something like this, it makes me proud to be an American.  Thanks for posting.

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Re: 707 Barrel roll
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2016, 01:31:54 PM »
What do you think your doing?
     " I'm selling airplanes"

Belly laugh

I was 10 days old at the time....later age 12, my first commercial airline flight was a Boeing 707 from Taipei Taiwan to Portland returning from my Dad's Army tour on the island with our family...we had gone there on the USS Mann a troop transport feeding Viet Nam with ....you fill in the blank
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Re: 707 Barrel roll
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2016, 02:21:37 PM »
The barrel roll is one of the most tame maneuvers you can do.  No negative Gs, and 1.5 positive Gs at the maximum.  All transport aircraft are stressed for much more than that!  I have done dozens of barrel rolls in my Focke-Wulf 44 biplane.

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Re: 707 Barrel roll
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2016, 02:59:07 PM »
My father operated an FBO/Cessna dealership on the Renton, WA airport where the original -80 was built and made its first takeoff.  One of my early memories of the soon to be born jet age was walking out to about the halfway point of 5400 foot long runway 15/33 with my dad and older brother to check out the collapsed left main gear of the -80 some time after the event which occurred during high speed taxi tests some time before its maiden flight.  Alas, the same brother and I were watching the Gold Cup hydroplane races on Lake Washington on the black and white TV when Tex did his thing literally a few miles to the north of our home near the south end of the lake.

We watched the maiden takeoff shortly thereafter as well in addition to, several years later watching the first takeoff of the original B-727 during which the center engine belched flame out of the intake with a huge boom as they rotated to lift off but shortly returned to run normally.  Turned out the "S" shaped intake duct that start above the fuselage and wormed its way down to the engine which was mounted more or less on the vertical center line of the fuselage was the culprit.  At high angles of attack the airflow through the duct would separate and the flow to the engine blocked causing a compressor stall.  Howard will be pleased to point out that the solution was to put vortex generators in the curves of the ducting to prevent the separation. 

Later when flying the 727 for a few years I learned that strong cross winds at low speed during the start of the takeoff run required a comparatively slow advance of the center engine to take-off thrust to prevent a similar result.

Ted

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Re: 707 Barrel roll
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2016, 06:31:07 PM »
This is the kind of guy that rolled jet transports for hire.

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Re: 707 Barrel roll
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2016, 06:33:50 PM »
Ten years before, Bell test pilot Tex Johnston (P-39, P-63, P-59, X-1) won the Thompson in a highly modified Airacobra Cobra II.

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Re: 707 Barrel roll
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2016, 09:25:22 PM »
I was 10 years old when Tex  Johnston did that and I saw the film. I was thrilled when I saw it then and it is still one of those magical moments.

Dennis

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Re: 707 Barrel roll
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2016, 06:33:58 AM »
Anyone read Alex Henshaw's Sigh for a Merlin?  The passage about barrel-rolling Avro Lancasters on production test flights is a classic.

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Re: 707 Barrel roll
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2016, 07:09:41 PM »
Ten years before, Bell test pilot Tex Johnston (P-39, P-63, P-59, X-1) won the Thompson in a highly modified Airacobra Cobra II.
That B&W photo in the lower corner of this photo of Tex was taken by our wind tunnel photographer...way back in the early days for The Cover of HIS book...however we didn't have fancy digital cameras.
When Tex  & our our photographer noticed all those helmets in the background had bunches of other pilots names. Our wind tunnel photographer and Tex brought the original 16X20 B&W to my studio and watched while I took my Iwata airbrush and carefully airbrushed those names off the helmets and then masked over and took my black India ink and misted on a very thin light coat onto the modified helmets....in order to accent Tex Johnston's cover photo.
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Re: 707 Barrel roll
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2016, 07:29:16 PM »
This is the kind of guy that rolled jet transports for hire.

Here is a close up of that we "touched up" for the Book cover that shows the final airbrushed out helmet names...to accent the photo.
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Re: 707 Barrel roll
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2016, 07:37:20 PM »
That B&W photo in the lower corner of this photo of Tex was taken by our wind tunnel photographer...way back in the early days for The Cover of HIS book...however we didn't have fancy digital cameras.
When Tex  & our our photographer noticed all those helmets in the background had bunches of other pilots names. Our wind tunnel photographer and Tex brought the original 16X20 B&W to my studio and watched while I took my Iwata airbrush and carefully airbrushed those names off the helmets and then masked over and took my black India ink and misted on a very thin light coat onto the modified helmets....in over to accent Tex Johnston's cover photo.
here is the retirement drawing that I did for our photographer showing just how those old NIKON have become and by the way...those are MY HANDS under Dave's "GET-AROUND CART!
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Re: 707 Barrel roll
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2016, 09:05:26 PM »
Have you written your book about your life and the things you've done and the people you've encountered.  Just what I've seen here, you must have had quite a life.
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Re: 707 Barrel roll
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2016, 10:04:12 PM »
Have you written your book about your life and the things you've done and the people you've encountered.  Just what I've seen here, you must have had quite a life.
Yes...and like the song sings: "I FEEL A SHADOW HANGING OVER ME"...and its NOT MY HQ SHADOW KITE EITHER...since this old Kodak Decal edge ELKO
print was made of my late twin sister and I waaaay back in the Ozarks in 1939.
Don Shultz


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