Author Topic: I don't know what to do with it (Read 6700 times)

Mike Griffin · « **on:** April 20, 2015, 08:43:09 PM »

Just on a lark, I bid on an used Enya .19 that appeared to be in very good shape. Well lo and behold I won on a really low bid. I have been building and flying for over 50 years but it has been so long since I built a .19 size plane I really don't know what to build to use it on.

Maybe some of you who have a lot of experience with these size planes could recommend something I could put it on.

Thank you
Mike

Bill Morell · « **Reply #1 on:** April 20, 2015, 08:58:58 PM »

Mike, a Tom Tom would be fun.

Mike Griffin · « **Reply #2 on:** April 20, 2015, 09:10:26 PM »

That is a good suggestion Bill. I will seriously consider that.

Mike

Dane Martin · « **Reply #3 on:** April 20, 2015, 09:12:27 PM »

A 19oz ringmaster!!

Ummmm... A Tom Tom or a papoose.

big ron · « **Reply #4 on:** April 20, 2015, 09:30:04 PM »

RSM P51-15

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #5 on:** April 20, 2015, 09:34:52 PM »

While y'all are thinking about it, I'm thinking of building up a solid wing trainer for my wife, in which I'm going to put my eBay Enya 19 impulse buy.

So I'll take suggestions.

Bill Morell · « **Reply #6 on:** April 20, 2015, 09:38:23 PM »

Tim, a Tom Tom would be fun.

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #7 on:** April 20, 2015, 09:41:50 PM »

Quote from: Bill Morell on April 20, 2015, 09:38:23 PM

Tim, a Tom Tom would be fun.

Veco? Where would I find plans?

Mike Griffin · « **Reply #8 on:** April 20, 2015, 09:46:49 PM »

You too, huh Tim? LOL. I really did not expect to win with the low bid I threw out there.

Mike

Mike Griffin · « **Reply #9 on:** April 20, 2015, 09:50:58 PM »

I have one of Larry Richards Navions I built and put in the closet a while back...that might be the ticket. Damn, I have planes I have built that I have forgotten about, that is BAD....I forgot all about that plane.

Mike

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #10 on:** April 20, 2015, 09:57:20 PM »

I have a handful of these and the .15s. Really powerful and durable. I have a couple on trainers (Flying Clowns) and a Sig Spad bipe for balloon bust. The Sig Acromaster or Shark .15 would work. My plans stash include McFarlands P-38 which might take these or my Veco .19s. For that matter get another one and build a twin engine Nobler.

Dave

tom brightbill · « **Reply #11 on:** April 20, 2015, 10:11:42 PM »

Hey Mike, you might want to consider the Little Thunderbird.

Dave Harmon · « **Reply #12 on:** April 20, 2015, 10:13:35 PM »

Quote from: Tim Wescott on April 20, 2015, 09:41:50 PM

Veco? Where would I find plans?

Try Barry Baxter.

Carl Cisneros · « **Reply #13 on:** April 20, 2015, 10:47:24 PM »

I have a Sig Acromaster with an Enya 19 on mine using a TT 9.5 x 4.5 prop on 58' lines using 10% fuel.
works really great.

Carl

Steve Thornton · « **Reply #14 on:** April 20, 2015, 10:55:59 PM »

Mike I had a Jr. Nobler when I was 14. Good airplane & I've thought about building one for my Enya 19.
Steve

Steve Thomas · « **Reply #15 on:** April 21, 2015, 04:12:52 AM »

Hi Mike, I've got a KK Spectre (the blue and grey one in the photo, powered by a PAW 19 diesel). Best 'small' model I've flown, and should do fine with an Enya 19.

Steve

Chris Wilson · « **Reply #16 on:** April 21, 2015, 04:42:28 AM »

Mercury Monarch should do well too.

http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=14335.0

A quote in the last post from the above link "Far better than a Spectre for example IMO."

Sorry Steve - couldn't resist when I saw that written!!

Cheers.

Scott Richlen · « **Reply #17 on:** April 21, 2015, 06:18:58 AM »

Mike:

Andy Lee showed up at Brodaks one year with a P-38 powered by 2 Enya 19s.

That'd be a fun one!

Go low-ball another Enya!!

Scott

ChrisSarnowski · « **Reply #18 on:** April 21, 2015, 06:26:58 AM »

Which version of the Enya 19 do you have, Mike? The 19-V has a little more punch than the 19-IV.

-Chris

John Park · « **Reply #19 on:** April 21, 2015, 07:27:44 AM »

The KeilKraft Spectre's good, though the front end needs a little modification and beefing-up to give it any sort of longevity - Bill Morley's Scimitar is probably a better bet for a nice powerful .19. If you want an unflapped profile, my favourite would be GMA's English Peacemaker, the one he designed for AeroModeller in, I think, 1959 - I'll never forget my first flight with the one I built in 1960 for a 3.5cc AM35 diesel (the first of many).

Regards
John

pat king · « **Reply #20 on:** April 21, 2015, 08:12:45 AM »

Quote from: Tim Wescott on April 20, 2015, 09:34:52 PM

While y'all are thinking about it, I'm thinking of building up a solid wing trainer for my wife, in which I'm going to put my eBay Enya 19 impulse buy.

So I'll take suggestions.

Tim,
Take a look at my Ringmaster Jr. Trainer. If you prefer to scratch build let me know, I'll send you a full size .pdf file of the plans. They have all parts shown full size.

Pat

Crist Rigotti · « **Reply #21 on:** April 21, 2015, 08:28:44 AM »

Get another one and build a twin .19 powered Ringmaster!

Garf · « **Reply #22 on:** April 21, 2015, 08:41:26 AM »

I have a Guillows Trainer 2 kit here I will never use if someone wants it. Not free, but reasonable.

Motorman · « **Reply #23 on:** April 21, 2015, 08:56:33 AM »

Yak 9

MM

jim gilmore · « **Reply #24 on:** April 21, 2015, 09:04:39 PM »

Quote from: Steve Thomas on April 21, 2015, 04:12:52 AM

Hi Mike, I've got a KK Spectre (the blue and grey one in the photo, powered by a PAW 19 diesel). Best 'small' model I've flown, and should do fine with an Enya 19.

Steve

Looking at the photo do you mean the front plane ?

dave siegler · « **Reply #25 on:** April 22, 2015, 05:13:10 AM »

I built a light scratch built Skyray for my Enya. Worked OK, short lines a not overpowered.

A peacemaker would be just ducky.

http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=1633

Bob Hudak · « **Reply #26 on:** April 22, 2015, 11:18:03 AM »

I had a Enya .19 on the Veco Brave that worked out ok until my buddy pancaked it on asphalt.
Bob

Randy Powell · « **Reply #27 on:** April 22, 2015, 11:54:16 AM »

First plane I learned the pattern on was a Flying Clown with an Enya 19. Nice combo.

Paul Gittel · « **Reply #28 on:** April 22, 2015, 02:11:09 PM »

Hi Mike,
I think a Veco Papoose could make a nice home for your Enya .19.

Steve Thomas · « **Reply #29 on:** April 22, 2015, 03:44:13 PM »

Quote from: jim gilmore on April 21, 2015, 09:04:39 PM

Looking at the photo do you mean the front plane ?

Yes, Jim.

DanielGelinas · « **Reply #30 on:** April 23, 2015, 03:25:10 PM »

I have an enya 19V. Building a super clown for it. It should be a good match if i keep the sc light.
Good luck with your enya!
-Dan

Bill Little · « **Reply #31 on:** April 23, 2015, 05:59:38 PM »

Quote from: Paul Gittel on April 22, 2015, 02:11:09 PM

Hi Mike,
I think a Veco Papoose could make a nice home for your Enya .19.

Hi Paul,

I agree! That is exactly the combo I used in 1974! The Enya 19 flew the Papoose great! The Papoose was designed for the plain bearing Veco .19 and the Enya was a great fit!

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM

Mike Griffin · « **Reply #32 on:** April 23, 2015, 06:12:05 PM »

Since Larry Richards quit making the Papoose kit, I don't think anyone kits it anymore. There might be full size plans floating around out there somewhere.

Mike

Bill Little · « **Reply #33 on:** April 23, 2015, 06:33:44 PM »

Quote from: Mike Griffin on April 23, 2015, 06:12:05 PM

Since Larry Richards quit making the Papoose kit, I don't think anyone kits it anymore. There might be full size plans floating around out there somewhere.

Mike

Hi Mike,

Larry might can turn you on to a set of plans. Worth a try plus putting it in the classifieds might bring some plans out of hiding! I have seen them on ebay for less than $100 quite a bit. The Papoose was one of my favorite planes! Not the greatest stunter in the world but it would easily do the pattern (and I knew nothing about trimming back then! LOL!!) and was just a blast to fly. Kinda like a shrunken Chief.

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM

Randy Cuberly · « **Reply #34 on:** April 24, 2015, 01:02:59 AM »

I have one of Larry Richards kits for the Little Thunderbird, and plan to use an Enya 19 in it. I think it will be a perfect combination. I had one of these many years ago with a Veco 19 and the Veco was marginally too much for the T-Bird (flew on 60 ft lines with no problem). I think the Enya will be perfect!

The "Little Bird" is a very good flying airplane. It's at least as good as the big one in reasonable air!.

Randy Cuberly

Akihiro Danjo · « **Reply #35 on:** April 25, 2015, 12:30:07 AM »

This is the best ENYA 19-V model I had ever built in '78.
Enya 19-V swang TF white nylon 9x6 or Super Thrust wood 9x5 and was strong enough to pull this 380 sqinch and 30 oz model.
Aki

DanielGelinas · « **Reply #36 on:** April 25, 2015, 08:11:16 AM »

Aki, that looks like a beautiful model! Was that your own design?
-Daniel

Akihiro Danjo · « **Reply #37 on:** April 25, 2015, 10:43:45 AM »

Daniel san,
This is a scale-down version of Gene's STATESMAN and was designed by my friend, F Sato.

Scott Richlen · « **Reply #38 on:** April 25, 2015, 05:06:47 PM »

Very nice! There don't seem to be that many smaller designs available, particularly with nice "lines" like this one.

eric rule · « **Reply #39 on:** April 25, 2015, 05:22:52 PM »

Mikey:

You could always just pack it in a box and ship it to Wildomar, CA. I have a very nice Ron Burn designed profile P51-15 that I would be willing to bolt it on. I am sure that it would enjoy having a nice home here in Southern California where it is always warm, the weather is nice and it is dry.

George · « **Reply #40 on:** April 25, 2015, 05:44:38 PM »

If you intend to build an old Veco kit using plans make sure they are building plans. The kits came with isometric assembly drawings...probably so you would need a new kit if you wanted to build another.

George

Mike Griffin · « **Reply #41 on:** April 25, 2015, 06:31:05 PM »

If I could find a Veco Papoose kit, I would copy it for templates and make some kits.

Mike

George · « **Reply #42 on:** April 26, 2015, 07:59:43 AM »

Quote from: Mike Griffin on April 25, 2015, 06:31:05 PM

If I could find a Veco Papoose kit, I would copy it for templates and make some kits.

Mike

Mike,
If I remember correctly the Papoose went through redesign (I think in the mid fifties).
I like the earlier one but to each his own. Just be aware of the one you want.

George

Mike Griffin · « **Reply #43 on:** April 26, 2015, 09:30:46 AM »

George, Dumas also put out a Papoose kit. Do you know what the difference was between the Veco and Dumas kit?

Mike

Bill Little · « **Reply #44 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:04:54 PM »

Quote from: Mike Griffin on April 26, 2015, 09:30:46 AM

George, Dumas also put out a Papoose kit. Do you know what the difference was between the Veco and Dumas kit?

Mike

Hi Mike,

There was no difference between them. Dumas just bought the tooling and carried on with most of the kits.

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM

Mike Griffin · « **Reply #45 on:** April 26, 2015, 06:37:49 PM »

Thank you Bill

Mike

George · « **Reply #46 on:** April 26, 2015, 08:44:53 PM »

Quote from: Mike Griffin on April 26, 2015, 09:30:46 AM

George, Dumas also put out a Papoose kit. Do you know what the difference was between the Veco and Dumas kit?

Mike

If I remember correctly the redesign was done while at Veco. I believe they went to a swept back wing tip and a swept back rudder. Don't know what other mods, if any.

George

Bill Little · « **Reply #47 on:** April 27, 2015, 07:59:41 PM »

Quote from: George on April 26, 2015, 08:44:53 PM

If I remember correctly the redesign was done while at Veco. I believe they went to a swept back wing tip and a swept back rudder. Don't know what other mods, if any.

George

Hi George,

I think you are confusing the Papoose with the Tomahawk. That is exactly what Veco did to the Tomahawk. John Brodak actually kitted the second version at first by accident as he called it the original Tomahawk. He was then told and did bring out the actual 1st Tomahawk version that he now sells.

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM

Author Topic: I don't know what to do with it (Read 6700 times)

Mike Griffin

Mike Griffin

Mike Griffin

Mike Griffin

ChrisSarnowski

Mike Griffin

Mike Griffin

Mike Griffin

Mike Griffin