indoor free flight

[Fred Quedenfeld jr]

I know this is a Control line forum
however some of the readers do free flight
where can I get a couple Peck R.O.G. s
or pennyplanes or easy B
thanks
Fred Q

[Jason Greer]

Ebay may be the only hope for the Peck ROG.  A2Z Corp was making and distributing the Peck Polymers and Indoor Model Supply line of kits and supplies.  A2Z shut down their model division earlier this year and I haven't seen where anyone has picked up the production of these models since.  It's a shame that these models are not currently being produced.  The One Night 28 was one of my favorites growing up.  There are several sites online that have free plans for indoor duration models.  Here are a couple:

http://www.indoorfreeflight.com/ezb.htm
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/categories.php?cat_id=6

[Sean McEntee]

FAI Model Supply has allot of good stuff. They have Peck kits listed as still in stock. The aforementioned NFFS site has a reference page with links to other sites that may have what you're looking for.

[Mike Scholtes]

I would check out the NFFS (National Free Flight Society) site. Their list of links includes every supplier of everything FF. Unless you can find someone with Peck kits still on hand (see above replies) you may be out of luck. Other suppliers can provide pennyplane kits and plans, doesn't have to be Peck.

[david beazley]

Check out Hip Pocket Aeronautics
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/index.htm
They have a forum including indoor and outdoor FF, CL, RC plus a plans section.

[Akihiro Danjo]

I also fly both C/L and Indoor F/F.

There are some kits that are flyable indoor.
http://lasercutplanes.com/index.php?p=1_2_Kits

Nocal models are also good.
http://hjlmodels.com/

Aki

[Fred Quedenfeld jr]

I also fly both C/L and Indoor F/F.

There are some kits that are flyable indoor.
http://lasercutplanes.com/index.php?p=1_2_Kits

Nocal models are also good.
http://hjlmodels.com/

Aki

Thank you
lasercutplanes.com looks great
Fred Q

[Paul Smith]

RetroRC.  The name says RC, but they offer a good line of indoor rubber, including the Phantom Flash.

http://retrorc.us.com/

[Paul Smith]

Phantom Flash is a popular event around here.

It's cheaper & easier to just rent a soccer dome than find and mow an outdoor field.

[Paul Smith]

This young lad entered F1D at our contest, won a spot on the FAI team, and bagged a bronze behind Germany and Slovakia.

[Norm Furutani]

You got several good choices. Here's another, especially if you need a bunch of planes. http://www.amazon.com/Midwest-Products-51401-Aviation-Education/dp/B00DMD3PDQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=arts-crafts&ie=UTF8&qid=1418509811&sr=1-1&keywords=midwest+shoebox

The AMA Dart, simple as it is, flies very well in a gym. http://www.modelaircraft.org/shopama/dept.aspx?id=C066404FA533472E9CCE8A114932E126

Done hundreds of the Darts with youth groups. Average time is about 30s. Basic trim, bend the plastic prop hanger so there is left thrust. Use a loop of 3/32" rubber, 2-3" longer than the hook distance.

Norm

[Larry Renger]

Left thrust??? I thought right and down were standard! 

[Dan McEntee]

Left thrust??? I thought right and down were standard! 

   When you fly indoor rubber, your power release is much less than if you are flying outdoor where you have wind to deal with. I like to call it a longer and leaner motor run. Indoor duration models almost always fly circles to the left to take advantage of the rubber motor torque to consistently make the model turn. You control that with wash in on the inboard wing and/or a longer inboard wing. if I'm building a p-nut or other scale model. I build them straight up and see if the model wants to turn one way or the other first, then trim accordingly.
   As much as I like control line stunt, i REALLY wish I had more time for indoor and outdoor free flight. it is the best bang for your buck out there as far as model airplanes go. It really teaches you how to build light, straight and accurately. It also teaches you alot more about trimming because there is no one to control the airplane! It HAS to perform by itself. Very challenging and very rewarding. It is also VERY COOL!
    Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee

[Norm Furutani]

Left thrust??? I thought right and down were standard! 

Hi Larry,
Yup, left thrust. Downthrust is built into the plastic prop hanger. The routine is to bend the prop hanger 90 degrees to the left and release. The result is a few degrees left. With 3/32nd rubber you should get a gentle climb to the left and the turn radius will stay the same.

Flying outdoors I use 1/8th rubber and right thrust. Climbs faster/higher with shorter motor run. Too much for the average gym.

Norm

[Dan McEntee]

   I like the AMA Racer over the Delta Dart. That is the way SIG refers to them now, I believe. The AMA Racer was originally presented in American Aircraft Modeler as the Delta Dart, I think. It has a longer, higher aspect ration wing. I advise people to make several copies of the plan/covering material so they can scratch build new ones with thinner, lighter wood and tissue covering. A stock one built per instructions will do in the 30 second plus range indoors with rubber like Norm suggests. A lighter scratch built version will get into the magic minute range. It's quite thrilling to see your rubber model circling slowly and beating the clock to that one minute mark! There are lots of parlor mite model plans out there on the internet and they are great for flying in your living room or great room. It's another challenge to try and beat a minute in your own living room, but it is possible with practice. Bill Hannan did one called the Escondido Mosquito that was in the For the Tenderfoot series in American Aircraft Modeler also in the mid 1960's. Not much money in materials involved and not much money for tools and equipment. Just need a good wood stripper, a  rubber stripper, a couple of good winders and you have the basis of what it takes to fly indoor.
  Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee