if anyone is interested in very early"ok old CL plans send an e-mail to cardinal.eng@grics.net and ask to be added to the plans list Roland and a few of his friends have been scanning plans and out of date obselete mags to share,i mean a really big list Roland personaly had more plans than one could imagine,he will send you 3 attachments to view listings of hundreds of plans and an attachment of old mags with neat articles and ads.