Author Topic: One weeks progress (Read 6327 times)

RC Storick · « **on:** August 30, 2014, 03:07:45 PM »

This is one weeks progress. This is a Kit that has not been released to the public yet. I have forgot how fast I can really put them together if I don't have to cut parts too. It will be on its wheels next week.

Avaiojet · « **Reply #1 on:** August 30, 2014, 03:14:26 PM »

What's the kit?

Shawn Lenci · « **Reply #2 on:** August 30, 2014, 07:37:45 PM »

Looks like a Shoestring?

Shawn

RC Storick · « **Reply #3 on:** August 30, 2014, 07:57:49 PM »

Quote from: Shawn Lenci on August 30, 2014, 07:37:45 PM

Looks like a Shoestring?

Shawn

You got it. It's my next years plane

Mike Keville · « **Reply #4 on:** August 30, 2014, 08:36:39 PM »

Hope the base color will be the original Shoestring's chartreuse, rather than the unrealistic yellow or white seen on others.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #5 on:** August 30, 2014, 09:06:05 PM »

Is this like John Brodaks Shoestring Scale,, Pat Johnston's design work,, I heard its a great one

RC Storick · « **Reply #6 on:** August 30, 2014, 09:14:35 PM »

Quote from: Mike Keville on August 30, 2014, 08:36:39 PM

Hope the base color will be the original Shoestring's chartreuse, rather than the unrealistic yellow or white seen on others.

I might paint it like this

Mike Keville · « **Reply #7 on:** August 30, 2014, 09:34:36 PM »

That's way too green. The original, early 1950s #16 Shoestring was chartreuse (a yellowish-green) with red trim.

RC Storick · « **Reply #8 on:** August 30, 2014, 10:01:43 PM »

Quote from: Mike Keville on August 30, 2014, 09:34:36 PM

That's way too green. The original, early 1950s #16 Shoestring was chartreuse (a yellowish-green) with red trim.

That is that plane and it is now painted white circus circus trim. I am in contact with the museum where it's stored and displayed. Everyone has the light colored one but I have not seen anybody with one this color. Except these pics

Mike Keville · « **Reply #9 on:** August 30, 2014, 10:33:20 PM »

Through the years, the base color of the Shoestring changed several times. At one time, the Shoestring was finished in light blue with orange trim. (Ugh! PLEASE don't consider that one!)

Prior to those many changes, an early 1950s issue of Air Trails featured a 33" span construction article by Cal Smith of the ORIGINAL Shoestring, wherein he gave the paint formula for an authentic base color. If memory serves, that was 8 parts yellow and one part green (Aero Gloss).

Once again, the original full-scale Shoestring was CHARTRUESE with red trim. IMHO, far more attractive than later versions.

Dan McEntee · « **Reply #10 on:** August 31, 2014, 12:29:37 AM »

   I can't quote this stuff from memory like Chris McMillin can, but I think I remember the story of how it came to be that color. One of the original team members worked at a body shop/auto paint store or something like that. The color was a special order that was mixed up, and then the customer never paid for or picked up.I'm thinking it may have been some sort of OEM GM color? Anyhow, rather than have the paint just sit, thinking that no one else would be interested in that color, they used it on the Shoestring. I think the airplane sustained some damage here and there in it's early life, and in doing repairs, they couldn't match the original color exactly, so that is why you see subtle changes in pictures in different publications. I would have to dig that up in a book to be sure. It might have even been posted here on the forum before.
   I will cast a vote for the original color also, how ever close you manage to get it.
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

Perry Rose · « **Reply #11 on:** August 31, 2014, 04:52:47 AM »

Maybe Chrysler's Sublime color.

Dwayne · « **Reply #12 on:** August 31, 2014, 05:54:53 AM »

Quote from: Shawn Lenci on August 30, 2014, 07:37:45 PM

Looks like a Shoestring?

Shawn

How in the heck did you know that?

Paul Smith · « **Reply #13 on:** August 31, 2014, 06:02:21 AM »

You can model a plane at any point in it's life if you can document it. I think it's an advantage to be different.

Motorman · « **Reply #14 on:** August 31, 2014, 06:26:51 AM »

Green and red planes fade into the background when you're flying if there are trees around. Might be a consideration.

MM

John Stiles · « **Reply #15 on:** August 31, 2014, 07:13:11 AM »

Quote from: Robert Storick on August 30, 2014, 09:14:35 PM

I might paint it like this

Maybe if you reversed the colors

I'm with Perry...looks like a Chrysler color.

RC Storick · « **Reply #16 on:** August 31, 2014, 07:40:52 AM »

Quote from: John Stiles on August 31, 2014, 07:13:11 AM

Maybe if you reversed the colors I'm with Perry...looks like a Chrysler color.

I can only paint it as I can document it in real life.

Shawn Lenci · « **Reply #17 on:** August 31, 2014, 08:46:26 AM »

Quote from: Dwayne Donnelly on August 31, 2014, 05:54:53 AM

How in the heck did you know that?

I have a "mental condition"...For the first/last 47 years of my life, all I have thought about is airplanes.

Steve Hines · « **Reply #18 on:** August 31, 2014, 09:09:11 AM »

Bob,what are you going to use for power, and are you going with the 3 wire or servo. We know how good it is going to look, It will be all the trick things you come up with.

Steve

Paul Smith · « **Reply #19 on:** August 31, 2014, 09:51:56 AM »

Quote from: Robert Storick on August 30, 2014, 09:14:35 PM

I might paint it like this

First hand documentation is what wins! Take your own photos.

Things like that canopy that doesn't quite fit right and the gap at the tail bring in the points.

Fred Cronenwett · « **Reply #20 on:** August 31, 2014, 11:26:42 AM »

This is John Brodak's Shoestring that he flew at the 2014 CL scale Nats

Fred

Randy Cuberly · « **Reply #21 on:** August 31, 2014, 11:28:59 AM »

Quote from: Mike Keville on August 30, 2014, 09:34:36 PM

That's way too green. The original, early 1950s #16 Shoestring was chartreuse (a yellowish-green) with red trim.

Mike,
I think this one was very close to what you are talking about, but it's faded after 13 years in the Arizona sun.
This was RJ Whitely's early 2000 Nats Shoestring. I've been flying it for a while just to keep the hand. Too many things keep interrupting my building finishing cycle.

At any rate this was originally Sig Dope and has faded a lot! Not a good color for the sun.

Incidentally it's a very honest flying airplane...easy to fly well!

Randy Cuberly

John Stiles · « **Reply #22 on:** August 31, 2014, 12:07:09 PM »

Quote from: Randy Cuberly on August 31, 2014, 11:28:59 AM

Mike,
I think this one was very close to what you are talking about, but it's faded after 13 years in the Arizona sun.
This was RJ Whitely's early 2000 Nats Shoestring. I've been flying it for a while just to keep the hand. Too many things keep interrupting my building finishing cycle.

At any rate this was originally Sig Dope and has faded a lot! Not a good color for the sun.

Incidentally it's a very honest flying airplane...easy to fly well!

Randy Cuberly

Damn nice plane right there!

RC Storick · « **Reply #23 on:** August 31, 2014, 12:21:09 PM »

Quote from: Steve Hines on August 31, 2014, 09:09:11 AM

Bob,what are you going to use for power, and are you going with the 3 wire or servo. We know how good it is going to look, It will be all the trick things you come up with.

Steve

All electric. Today I got to test motor and radio on my MC72 works great.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #24 on:** August 31, 2014, 12:27:36 PM »

The Shoestring I built was painted like the original racer, The Spud Runner. I have pictures in a mid-70s racing book. Lemon yellow and red in equal parts with black pinstripping. Pretty cool, actually. Saw the real version at the Nampa Airport.

Crist Rigotti · « **Reply #25 on:** August 31, 2014, 02:00:40 PM »

Will this be a scale C/L or a stunter?

Randy Cuberly · « **Reply #26 on:** August 31, 2014, 02:24:06 PM »

Robert,
If you feel ambitious, this one can be completely documented and certainly is striking. I considered painting the Shoestring Stunter I'm building like this but I'm not ambitious enough I guess!

This one was apparently built after the plans for the first one were lost. Some improvements were made.
Built sometime in the 1970's I think.

Randy Cuberly

Paul Smith · « **Reply #27 on:** August 31, 2014, 06:45:49 PM »

How many Shoestrings were there? Just one or several? Where is the green one in the museum?

RC Storick · « **Reply #28 on:** August 31, 2014, 08:21:57 PM »

this is how its painted now.

RC Storick · « **Reply #29 on:** August 31, 2014, 09:36:37 PM »

A little more progress. I will be moving this thread to the building section after this post

Mike Keville · « **Reply #30 on:** August 31, 2014, 10:02:20 PM »

Quote from: Robert Storick on August 31, 2014, 08:21:57 PM

this is how its painted now.

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Very pretty - though not REMOTELY anywhere near the ORIGINAL Shoestring color scheme.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #31 on:** August 31, 2014, 10:39:27 PM »

Quote from: Robert Storick on August 30, 2014, 10:01:43 PM

That is that plane and it is now painted white circus circus trim. I am in contact with the museum where it's stored and displayed. Everyone has the light colored one but I have not seen anybody with one this color. Except these pics

I've seen photos somewhere here on the forum of a nice Shoestring stunt model done in the "green" green with red trim like in the museum photo above (reply #6). I just did a quick search and didn't come up with it, but I'm pretty sure the photo(s) were from Flushing Meadows.

Fred Cronenwett · « **Reply #32 on:** September 01, 2014, 04:19:21 PM »

If you do a Google image search for a shoestring racer or on airliners.net you will find lots of variations in the paint job and even the shape of the features on the plane. In the end when you build a scale model you want to copy the full size aircraft in shape, outlines and colors. the judge looks at the 3-view and the photographs and see if your model matches the full size aircraft, down to the size and location of the letters.

Your AMA number does not go on the outboard wing on a CL scale model, it goes inside the model

I found probably 6 or more shoestrings on Airliners.net

Fred

Ron Cribbs · « **Reply #33 on:** September 01, 2014, 05:04:43 PM »

Would love to see the String in person....

Randy Cuberly · « **Reply #34 on:** September 01, 2014, 05:53:03 PM »

For what it's worth, here's a link to the details on Yellow Jacket, a Shoestring Formula I Racer built in Florida in the 70's. It is a little different in cowl shape etc than the original but was reportedly faster also.

http://www.airbum.com/pireps/PirepShoestring.html

Randy Cuberly

John Kelly · « **Reply #35 on:** September 01, 2014, 10:29:59 PM »

... This one?

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #36 on:** September 02, 2014, 06:00:39 AM »

I have never liked any greens or chartruse. I like the current paint scheme.

James Mills · « **Reply #37 on:** September 02, 2014, 06:07:32 AM »

Quote from: Dan McEntee on August 31, 2014, 12:29:37 AM

I can't quote this stuff from memory like Chris McMillin can, but I think I remember the story of how it came to be that color. One of the original team members worked at a body shop/auto paint store or something like that. The color was a special order that was mixed up, and then the customer never paid for or picked up.I'm thinking it may have been some sort of OEM GM color? Anyhow, rather than have the paint just sit, thinking that no one else would be interested in that color, they used it on the Shoestring. I think the airplane sustained some damage here and there in it's early life, and in doing repairs, they couldn't match the original color exactly, so that is why you see subtle changes in pictures in different publications. I would have to dig that up in a book to be sure. It might have even been posted here on the forum before.
   I will cast a vote for the original color also, how ever close you manage to get it.
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

Dan,

I think I remember reading it was a color from a Cadillac, but I won't swear to it.

James

wwwarbird · « **Reply #38 on:** September 02, 2014, 08:25:04 PM »

Quote from: John Kelly on September 01, 2014, 10:29:59 PM

... This one?

Yep, that's it!

Even if it's not a historically accurate green on the Shoestring in John's reply, it's still a great looking model IMO. Gotta ditch that yellow spinner though, maybe swap it out for a nice polished aluminum jobbie?

Sparky will have to do some homework for his scale version, I think there were quite a few variations.

RC Storick · « **Reply #39 on:** September 03, 2014, 08:23:20 AM »

Mike Lauerman · « **Reply #40 on:** September 04, 2014, 03:59:03 PM »

Quote from: James Mills on September 02, 2014, 06:07:32 AM

Dan,

I think I remember reading it was a color from a Cadillac, but I won't swear to it.

James

I took a hiatus from my Porsche career in 1962, went to work for Saint Claire Motor Co. in San Jose (CA) Cadillac/Oldsmobile dealership.
I worked on complete engine overhaul, then was their carburetor man.

The cars were nice, actually 'lovely' to drive...the new 'Park Avenue' was my favorite, a Coupe DeVille with 6" of tail bobbed, for easier parking...

I would no more have ordered a Cadillac that color than dye my hair the color it is now!
But it looked terrific on Shoestrings...

RC Storick · « **Reply #41 on:** September 04, 2014, 04:05:27 PM »

The original colors are Cadillac Chartruse and Chinese red

Paul Smith · « **Reply #42 on:** September 04, 2014, 04:50:47 PM »

You do not get one single extra point for tackling a difficult point job.
That simple green and red scheme will certainly score just as well, or maybe better, than the tricky multi-color job.

Fred Cronenwett · « **Reply #43 on:** September 04, 2014, 05:48:19 PM »

When the new rules are approved authentic scale has 10 points that go towards complexity during static, this can be configuration and the paint job. A b-17 with a complex paint job will score better than a single engine fixed gear model with as simple paint job. This only applies to authentic scale.

Sport and profile scale does not have this rule and a simple paint job will score just as well as the complex paint jobs.

Fred

Fred Cronenwett · « **Reply #44 on:** September 04, 2014, 05:49:58 PM »

When the new rules are approved authentic scale has 10 points that go towards complexity during static, this can be configuration and the paint job. A b-17 with a complex paint job will score better than a single engine fixed gear model with as simple paint job. This only applies to authentic scale.

Sport and profile scale does not have this rule and a simple paint job will score just as well as the complex paint jobs.

Fred