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Offline Craig Beck

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Magnum exhaust bolts
« on: May 09, 2017, 07:22:50 AM »
I have looked everywhere.  I have a Magnum XLS 52 2 Stroke and i cant find the exhaust bolts anywhere.  Can someone tell me the length and the thread pitch so i can buy some. Thanks

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Re: Magnum exhaust bolts
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2017, 01:57:01 PM »

  Craig, if you have any os engines you might try one of the bolts in your magnum, then you can take that bolt with you when you go shopping..

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Re: Magnum exhaust bolts
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2017, 04:56:01 PM »
The engine comes with M3x40 mm metric, you could use 3x35 with thread locker rather than lock washers.  You can sometimes find them at a well stocked Ace hardware or always at Micro fasteners.  http://www.microfasteners.com/home.php?cat=742&sort=&sort_direction=0&page=2
« Last Edit: May 12, 2017, 06:21:58 PM by George Truett »

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Re: Magnum exhaust bolts
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2017, 08:30:42 PM »
Take the engine to the Ace hardware store and fit the bolts to it.

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Re: Magnum exhaust bolts
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2017, 05:12:24 PM »
As I have an XLS .52 in the box handy, I measured the muffler bolts, and they are 3m x .5mm pitch x 40mm long. You can probably buy them at your local ACE Hardware, or in the R/C Car section at the LHS.

Since the muffler is tapped for the screws, I am confused by George's suggestion to not use lock nuts. Where would one put lock nuts, and why? IDK.

Pondering this, I am also confused by this engine's throttle and RNV. The needle valve is on the throttle, up front. WTH is this thing that comes with longer backplate screws, to mount in the rear? There is no place to put a NV on this, unless a plug needs to be removed? I've got bunches of XLS .36's, and most were ordered with the RNV option, since that's a lot more useful (to somebody flying CL) than a throttle, so I know what Magnum's RNV assy. looks like...it looks like this assembly, but comes with a NV installed. Maybe Randy Aero has run into this nonsense?
Pictures at 11...    D>K Steve
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Re: Magnum exhaust bolts
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2017, 08:47:29 AM »
Sorry Steve, lock washers.  The engine comes with M3x40mm machine screws, split lock washers and a fairly thick gasket.  If you omit the lock washers or gasket, 40mm screws bottom out on the muffler before it gets tight against the exhaust port.  One option is run a 3mm tap through the muffler so the screws can pass all the way through(none of my mufflers were tapped completely through but this may vary).  I don't trust the split type lock washers and for the past 20 years I have used outboard motor nitrile gasket sealant on exhaust parts.  That has solved muffler screws coming loose but on the .52 a 35mm screw works better than the 40.  If you use the lock washer and supplied gasket, 40 is fine.  If that doesn't make sense I can post pictures.  As I recall they do include everything to use a rear needle or carb mounted needle for those of us who refuse to change.  George

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Re: Magnum exhaust bolts
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2017, 10:36:01 AM »
Don't much feel like starting a new thread...BUT this has got to be the MOST aggravating situation in my recent C/L retread experience

I have accumulated a bunch (75) engines since my return in 2012
some notable many will never see a muffler (26 Cox ) ( 12 odd Torpedo, Johnson, Nelson, Fox combat) engines

BUT I also have many OS FX/FP/LA, Magnum, and Fox 35/40 with mufflers and in some cases original questionable fasteners for the back plates and heads

2/56, 3/42, 3/48, 3/56, 4/40, 4/48, 5/40, 5/44 are all hard enough to Gage and differentiate with BUT
then to add in the Metric sizes and all of a sudden it becomes exponentially difficult to manage

That said, I treat some screws with a higher order of interest and concern than any of my 33 year long wife's .35 to 3+ carrot diamonds!
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Re: Magnum exhaust bolts
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2017, 11:27:00 AM »
Don't much feel like starting a new thread...BUT this has got to be the MOST aggravating situation in my recent C/L retread experience

I have accumulated a bunch (75) engines since my return in 2012
some notable many will never see a muffler (26 Cox ) ( 12 odd Torpedo, Johnson, Nelson, Fox combat) engines

BUT I also have many OS FX/FP/LA, Magnum, and Fox 35/40 with mufflers and in some cases original questionable fasteners for the back plates and heads

2/56, 3/42, 3/48, 3/56, 4/40, 4/48, 5/40, 5/44 are all hard enough to Gage and differentiate with BUT
then to add in the Metric sizes and all of a sudden it becomes exponentially difficult to manage

That said, I treat some screws with a higher order of interest and concern than any of my 33 year long wife's .35 to 3+ carrot diamonds!

FV4, I am pretty sure I've never seen a 3/42, 3/56, 4/48, or 5/44 in my life as a machinist. They are an option, but nobody uses them. One night at Boeing, I had to single point an internal 1/4-60, to produce a small batch of microphone adapters. No tap existed in all of Boeing. The lucky thing was that there was also no gauge. I had to hand grind my own cutter, to make things more fun. 

One of the weirdest things I've ever run into was my first (early) Double Star .60bb. Lovely engine, but the screws were all wobbly in the threads. Luckily, the crankcase threads were fine, but the screws were obviously single-pointed on a lathe, instead of rolled like we are used to. I conferred with Tom Knoppi, my F2C flying friend. He said that is how they train apprentices...all their screws were terrible. When their teams came to the West, they returned with boxes and boxes of machine screws. They still have the occasional snafu, like the B.40's that had oversize prop shaft threads, just last year.

George is absolutely right about the split type lockwashers...avoid them. They will break and fall out from under the head of the screw. Always at a bad time, too. I avoid muffler gaskets after seeing what happened when a club member had his G.51 (on muffler pressure) blow the gasket. A constant leak is not usually a problem...the outlet is just a bigger leak, after all. However...there's always a however...on a "tuned" pipe or tuned muffler (MACS, and modern OS stock mufflers), I suspect you want to have them sealed, but I also haven't tried to find out. I use a wee bit of the red silicon gasket stuff that Brett recommended. Permatex, I think. Note that if you use muffler pressure (MP), a change in the amount of leakage makes the engine go quite lean. Might be a good idea to make a few flights without MP to make sure there's not going to be a problem.  H^^ Steve
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Re: Magnum exhaust bolts
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2017, 02:04:03 PM »
Steve fun stuff, I too have some meager machining skills thanks to the Army Aviation career and remember NOT fondly some instructor making us figure thread depth and pitch for single point cutting....I totally sucked at the drill and did not help that the 40YO machine had unGodly run-out and total lack of parallelism

I tend to NOT use Muff gaskets...preferring to face both surfaces on a flat granite with 800 grit and use anaerobic Gasket stuff from Permatex...then a small drop of thread locker


Like I alluded to above... I husband my Muff screws/bolts like they are Hope Diamonds

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Re: Magnum exhaust bolts
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2017, 03:56:17 PM »
Hmmmm. I just go down to Hi-Strength Bolt or Tacoma Screw and buy a box of what I need. A hundred might be $6 or so.  ;D Steve
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In 1944 18-20 year old's stormed beaches, and parachuted behind enemy lines to almost certain death.  In 2015 18-20 year old's need safe zones so people don't hurt their feelings.


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