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Offline bob whitney

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Spyder lines
« on: September 16, 2016, 08:13:00 PM »

  what size or type of spider wire do i need for 75 MPH combat and 1/2 A combat
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Re: Spyder lines
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2016, 07:14:08 AM »
Check The Rule Book.

Last time I looked it was .012" for 1/2A and .018" for Speed Limit, Slow & Fast, all stranded steel.

But now that the "book" is on software it can change ANY time.  I guess you would need an I-Pad if you wanted to argue a rule.
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Re: Spyder lines
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2016, 07:55:20 AM »
  what size or type of spider wire do i need for 75 MPH combat and 1/2 A combat

Bob,

For 75MPH Speed Limit Combat you would use SPECTRA, POWER PRO, 100LB TEST, HI-VIS YELLOW, MADE IN THE USA.

For 1/2A Combat use SPECTRA, POWER PRO, 30LB TEST, HI-VIS YELLOW, MADE IN THE USA.

DO NOT buy anything made in CHINA.
DO NOT use any other brand.
Hi-Vis Yellow so you can see you lines on the ground.
Make sure the contest allows the use of Specta Lines.

We, on the East Coast, have been using this type of line for Speed Limit combat for more than 5 years.
There is a very specific knot that we use.
I will attach a visual picture of how to type this knot.
Here is a link to Spectra Line 100 lb  on Ebay.
It shows the the box you would be looking for.
DO NOT buy the line that say 25% lighter.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Pro-Micro-Braid-Bass-Fishing-Line-31100300300T-100-lb-X-150-Yd-Yellow-/262622560397

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Re: Spyder lines
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2016, 07:59:55 AM »
What Larry said! Spiderwire is not Spectra do not use it. It has different properties than Spectra line. Page 5 of the rulebook outline the use of Spectra line. https://www.modelaircraft.org/files/2015-2016CLGeneral.pdf
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Re: Spyder lines
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2016, 11:54:08 AM »


  thanks Guys
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Re: Spyder lines
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2016, 01:55:44 PM »
Current AMA rules allow for these lines in combat and have for several years now.  Rules call for the same diameter & same pull test as braided metallic lines.  The rules change to allow this followed the standard AMA 2 yr cycle.  As such, per contest procedures, they are legal unless the CD puts it in his contest announcement that synthetic lines are specifically prohibited.

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Re: Spyder lines
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2016, 03:30:51 AM »


          I'm sport flying a pair of Corehouse 1/2A Li'l Hackers on 30# test Spectra Power Pro lines. The lines are 40' and and give me the same control response as .008 steel braided lines.

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Re: Spyder lines
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2016, 06:58:55 PM »


 just ordered the lines from ebay, do u use eyelets or just make loop
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Re: Spyder lines
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2016, 07:45:50 AM »


         Loops on both ends on the 30# test Spectra Power Pro lines.

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Re: Spyder lines
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2016, 09:18:40 PM »
It's pretty important to stick with name brands and either Spectra or Dyneema(Europe).  It's also called  ultra high molecular weight gel spun polyethylene.  It's a pretty fussy process because the temperature of the plastic is highly critical.  The polyethylene is extruded through a very small die and stretched rapidly while it cools.  The process makes the long chains of the polyethylene(high molecular weight means long, unbranched molecules, some 400,000 atoms long) line up very tightly packed and all forced very close to each other.  The individual strands are gathered into bundles of several hundred fibers and the bundles are braided into the line.  The result is a cable as strong and resistant to stretching as high strength steel, but only 1/7th the weight.  Depending on how it's braided in may be slightly draggier than steel lines.  On the plus side, besides being easy to tie to an exact length it won't tangle itself up, kink, or fatigue and break from vibration, or get damaged by a Big Foot tripping over your lines.

Since it's made entirely of polyethylene which melts at 275 F the line shouldn't be exposed to temperatures much over 150degF, certainly not high than 175-212 degrees.  When the strand gets too hot the molecules can lose their straight line orientation and get more loosely packed loosing most of their strength.  For similar reasons it's easy to make mistakes in manufacturing that give the same result- a stretchy, low strength strand that's useless for flying models.  You won't know a low cost knock off will work until you get it home and test it with a pull tester.  If a 60 ft. line stretches more than 1.75-2in with a 25lb. pull test it's too stretchy and is not the right material.

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Re: Spyder lines
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2017, 09:39:42 AM »
 As a tournament bass fisherman I use a lot of braided line.  I use the "Power-Pro" brand almost exclusively. It is very strong and has literally zero stretch but is imperative that you use a specific knot with this line.  Most knots tied with it WILL slip out !  The polomar knot is the one I use It will not slip out.  The only modification I use with the polomar knot is to finish it off with a double 1/2 hitch just as insurance.



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Re: Spyder lines
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2017, 06:32:58 PM »
They sure make it look easy.   How do you get both lines the length you want and the same?
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Re: Spyder lines
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2017, 05:36:10 AM »
                  I cut the lines and mark with a Sharpie where I want the exact termination. I then measure from the point 6"-10", don't short yourself use a foot if needed. You now have two lengths of lines cut exactly the same. Make your starting  loop on the Sharpie mark and continue to hold that loop directly on that point. If you make the other length of line in the same manner, your going to be very close. As long as you don't cinch it down too tight you can always untie it. I have even untied lines that were pull tested using a jewelers loop and pair of tweezers to fix them. Essentially you just need to find a method and I find it no more difficult than making terminations on steel lines with crimp tubes as they too can break your stones if you don't keep pressure on them due to the crimp sliding away and the loop becoming too large. Phil has a 8x11 sheet of paper with the knot and it's probably the one Larry depicts. It's so easy even a caveman can do it. Ken

Offline Bob Mears

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Re: Spyder lines
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2017, 08:12:02 AM »
Just a little note about Spider Wire lines. Several years ago Andy and I were flying our kites. Yall seen these little haul ass kites before (i'll try to do an attachment) Anyway, Andy got his spider wire lines all tangled up in some weeds and finally just trashed them. He had a set of steel 1/2A lines with him so he just put them on. He flew about 15 seconds and it broke both steel lines! We were quite surprised. The kites do pull pretty hard, but we sure didnt expect that. Later I was gonna get cute and fly under a soccer goal post and hit the post with the line and do a 90* turn. As soon as my Spider wire touched the goal post both lines broke. Didnt expect that either. Andy and I have flow combat many times with spider wire on the kites and wrapped up and never broke any. Looks like both spider and steel have their weakness, just pick which one works for you.



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