Author Topic: Voodoo (Read 21750 times)

Tommy Swonke · « **Reply #50 on:** January 10, 2017, 04:53:48 PM »

Hey Ken, thank you for the link.....great stuff, I just love looking at all those planes. It brings back some of my favorite memories from my youth.

Chompin' at the bit to get back in the circle, Tommy

Dane Martin · « **Reply #51 on:** January 10, 2017, 05:13:53 PM »

These blokes are fun to talk to and all, but just remember Tommy, super heros and ninja turtles fly speed also....

Tommy Swonke · « **Reply #52 on:** January 10, 2017, 08:27:21 PM »

Hello again Dane, I don't know about super heroes or ninja turtles.....not sure I understand who or what you mean. By speed, are you referring to combat? The only things I can relate to actual speed flying, that I was exposed to when I was 15, were "Rat Racers" and what used to be called " Proto-Types" I never participated in either of these events though. but I had friends in my club that did.

Dane Martin · « **Reply #53 on:** January 10, 2017, 09:15:40 PM »

Just a poor attempt at humor my friend. Speed is the classification for top speed, fastest speed, or fastest speed in a set measurement (the proto speed you mentioned)
In this video, my average lap time was 1.44 sec, on 50 ft lines which translates to about 148.75 mph.

I compete in combat and speed flying.

Tommy Swonke · « **Reply #54 on:** January 10, 2017, 09:31:29 PM »

Whoa !! that is awesome my man !...This was the same thing I saw as a teenager at the larger meets we attended. They called it Proto-type back then. The ones I saw had this metal post with a ball on top, in the center of the circle, the flyer hung on to as he flew. I was always in awe of those guys ! And the speed of those planes. I remember that "shoe-polish" smell from the benzine. The event drew big crowds of on-lookers.

Bob Mears · « **Reply #55 on:** January 11, 2017, 07:29:38 AM »

Quote from: Frank Imbriaco on January 10, 2017, 09:17:07 AM

Al :
That's why I'm mainly flying electric stuff. Can't cut the mustard.

MM :
I, too, will take all the Fox 36xBB and will double , no triple the 14.95 for good, complete used ones. If you or anyone reading have NIB 36xBB, tell me last and I'll up the ante.
Oops, I'm not helping myself as they are ever increasing in value.

Frank
P.S. : Andre - FWIW: T.H. is for advice, the enforcer, who shall remain unnamed, has been known to frequent the local joints near Giants stadium in the NJ Meadowlands.

Electric is ok for combat too!

phil c · « **Reply #56 on:** January 11, 2017, 08:17:43 PM »

I got 13sec/8 laps. About 131mph.
Years ago I put a TWA 36 on a Voodoo. It went about that fast on 60ft. lines. Small air plane helps, but the lines cause most of the drag, v squared and all that.

Phil C

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #57 on:** January 11, 2017, 09:20:52 PM »

Quote from: Tom Luciano on January 10, 2017, 11:02:23 AM

I'll stick with the old BB cause it only goes 120mph.
T

Hey Tom, my 36xBB did a official 127mph at the 2016 combat festival on multiple watches. On the first 7 lap set of that run, the engine was running better, but with less then a 1/2 of lap to go the Satan dove down to a foot off the ground for no reason and I pulled up high. Jim G told me he kept the watch on it for that set and had it over 130mph.
Not bad for a $14 engine with a little tune up on it.
Al

Ken Burdick · « **Reply #58 on:** January 12, 2017, 09:10:58 AM »

startin to sound like liar's poker from 1966....

Dennis Leonhardi · « **Reply #59 on:** January 31, 2017, 04:12:52 PM »

Quote from: Paul Smith on January 05, 2017, 03:02:56 PM

I flew over a dozen each VooDoos and Combat Cats. Plus many others, including the Sneaker, Demon, Wasp, SuperStar and others.

Airframes are all over-rated. The big thing was a quick start, and good engine run and FAST.

Paul, I respectfully disagree. The statements kinda remind me of the time the U.S. Air Force was testing the first MiG-15 they acquired thanks to a North Korean defector. Chuck Yeager flew the MiG in mock combat against an F-86 Sabre and consistently won; when the Sabre pilot complained he was at a disadvantage, Yeager started flying the Sabre. And consistently won.

Lesson: it's what ya do with what ya got!

I've written elsewhere that in the '60s and '70s my weapon was generally a small, fast wing powered by a cleaned up Fox 36X. I also coached an Olympic-style wrestling club - that produced several state and even national champions - in some of those years, and our tournaments ran to the middle of June.

One year, the first contest in our area arrived before I'd had a chance to go through my engines and planes. So I pulled out an old 500 square inch wing, mounted a new 36X, and ran it almost blubbering rich with a small prop and - now, get this - a pinch of jeweler's rouge in the fuel.

And took 1st place, with a kill in every round.

FAST was certainly my preference, but SLOW wins too if you use it correctly.

As for airframe: Take a Demon and a Sneeker to the field, fly both with the same engine, and tell us if they perform equally well doing loops and figure eights upwind in a 15-20 mph breeze.

(I'm betting you'll appreciate wing taper.)

I will certainly grant that 1-flip starts and consistent engine runs are priceless. In my opinion, THEY are the underrated elements in the competition.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

Dennis

I must be out in the circle again,
To fly combat with another guy.
And all I ask is a FAST ship,
And his streamer to steer her by.

Bob Mears · « **Reply #60 on:** February 01, 2017, 04:09:28 PM »

Quote from: AirClassix on January 31, 2017, 04:12:52 PM

Paul, I respectfully disagree. The statements kinda remind me of the time the U.S. Air Force was testing the first MiG-15 they acquired thanks to a North Korean defector. Chuck Yeager flew the MiG in mock combat against an F-86 Sabre and consistently won; when the Sabre pilot complained he was at a disadvantage, Yeager started flying the Sabre. And consistently won.

Lesson: it's what ya do with what ya got!

I've written elsewhere that in the '60s and '70s my weapon was generally a small, fast wing powered by a cleaned up Fox 36X. I also coached an Olympic-style wrestling club - that produced several state and even national champions - in some of those years, and our tournaments ran to the middle of June.

One year, the first contest in our area arrived before I'd had a chance to go through my engines and planes. So I pulled out an old 500 square inch wing, mounted a new 36X, and ran it almost blubbering rich with a small prop and - now, get this - a pinch of jeweler's rouge in the fuel.

And took 1st place, with a kill in every round.

FAST was certainly my preference, but SLOW wins too if you use it correctly.

As for airframe: Take a Demon and a Sneeker to the field, fly both with the same engine, and tell us if they perform equally well doing loops and figure eights upwind in a 15-20 mph breeze.

(I'm betting you'll appreciate wing taper.)

I will certainly grant that 1-flip starts and consistent engine runs are priceless. In my opinion, THEY are the underrated elements in the competition.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

Dennis

I must be out in the circle again,
To fly combat with another guy.
And all I ask is a FAST ship,
And his streamer to steer her by.

Case in point. We flew nostalgia combat last weekend in Tucson. I had to fly Chuck Rudner in the finals. He was flying his 1970's Scalpel with a G21 Tigre. I dont know how many are familiar with his airplane, but its a top quality machine. I on the other hand was flying a 1960 James Mears Slingshot with a Johnson. It's a diamond airfoil flying wing. I just knew Chuck was gonna kick my ass with that set up. Chuck's kicked me many times before and with his setup vs mine I was sure I was doomed. Low and behold, I took the win. Was a surprise to both of us.

Ken Burdick · « **Reply #61 on:** February 01, 2017, 04:34:50 PM »

Congrats Bobby.
Jeff said you were flying real good! Also said he had a barn burner with Andy in 2D Fast.....sounds like good time.
How on earth did you beat that set up with a diamond slingshot? Good on ya!

Ken

Andre Ming · « **Reply #62 on:** February 01, 2017, 07:47:28 PM »

@ Bobby...

You da' MAN!!!

(No kidding: Congrats on the win against a mighty tough opponent carryin' a bigger gun!!)

Bob Mears · « **Reply #63 on:** February 02, 2017, 08:13:02 AM »

Quote from: Ken Burdick on February 01, 2017, 04:34:50 PM

Congrats Bobby.
Jeff said you were flying real good! Also said he had a barn burner with Andy in 2D Fast.....sounds like good time.
How on earth did you beat that set up with a diamond slingshot? Good on ya!

Ken

Surprised me too. But the win came from getting a couple of cuts on him, then my bellcrank platform pulled out and I hit the ground. Slingshot had a couple of crashes before and repaired. It probably saved my ass. we flew for a couple of minutes then two cuts gave me the win after I hit the ground. If I had stayed in the air with Chuck longer chances are he would have killed me.

Tommy Swonke · « **Reply #64 on:** February 02, 2017, 08:44:29 AM »

Bob, I love hearing you guys speaking "Combat" It's the language I remember from my youthful years in the combat circles. I'm really feeling the urge to get my Voodoo built and get it up. The more I see you guys talking about your experiences in the combat arena the more excited I get !!

john e. holliday · « **Reply #65 on:** February 02, 2017, 12:19:28 PM »

That is what was great about attending the Tulsa combat get together. The two brothers in the final I asked someone before the match who is going to win. Response was Bobby is the better of the two. Guess he was off a little as brother got him.

Andre Ming · « **Reply #66 on:** February 04, 2017, 07:05:50 AM »

I thought I remembered a recent thread in which a current cottage industry offered Voodoo kits? Thought it was this thread, but no cigar.

Anyone remember, or was the cottage industry Voodoo simply part of a dream after eating too much pizza?

Fredvon4 · « **Reply #67 on:** February 04, 2017, 08:37:50 AM »

Andre

http://lazer-works.com/misc.html

Down near the bottom (they are alphabetically listed) is the $42 VooDoo

Check out the ridiculously low cost for the Super Satan...$16.70 for 46 laser cut pieces

I don't have the VooDoo short kit from them but if it is as inclusive as the Super Satan kit ( great wood and precise pieces) I think well worth the $42 plus shippng

Ken Burdick · « **Reply #68 on:** February 04, 2017, 10:54:45 AM »

buy a chunk of balsa, carve the L.E. more blunt than the CG kit, the rest is just 3/32 ribs and scratch build your own.

Andre Ming · « **Reply #69 on:** February 05, 2017, 01:18:37 PM »

Thanks for the link, Fred.

Ken commented:

"...buy a chunk of balsa, carve the L.E."

That's exactly what I'm wanting to avoid. Been there, done that, don't enjoy it.

"...carve the L.E. more blunt than the CG kit..."

Ah, but then in my demented mind, it wouldn't be a sure'nuf "Voodoo". I'm also anal about using longer booms (that started appearing in the '70's) on one. We needn't talk about my other compromises that I'm willing to accept.

(Like iron-on coverings which certainly weren't typical back when the Voodoo was first released.)

I'm thinking in terms of a Voodoo for one of my Johnson CS engines.

C.T. Schaefer · « **Reply #70 on:** February 05, 2017, 01:25:50 PM »

A few years ago I got LE's from Sig. Also 3/8 balsa dowel for spar so when you are making ribs you can just drill a hole.

Frank Imbriaco · « **Reply #71 on:** February 05, 2017, 01:56:58 PM »

Quote from: Andre Ming on February 05, 2017, 01:18:37 PM

Thanks for the link, Fred.

Ken commented:

"...buy a chunk of balsa, carve the L.E."

That's exactly what I'm wanting to avoid. Been there, done that, don't enjoy it.

"...carve the L.E. more blunt than the CG kit..."

Ah, but then in my demented mind, it wouldn't be a sure'nuf "Voodoo". I'm also anal about using longer booms (that started appearing in the '70's) on one. We needn't talk about my other compromises that I'm willing to accept. (Like iron-on coverings which certainly weren't typical back when the Voodoo was first released.)

I'm thinking in terms of a Voodoo for one of my Johnson CS engines.

Andre :
Yes, yes, yes: Carving , shaping, and block radius sanding(I used the Great Planes 36" sanding bar with 180 and 220 grit) the l.e. out of a block is a BEAR- I spent less time cutting out the ribs, center sheeting and elevator ... Do as Tom S. says about the Sig piece-just order a half dozen. Pick one, used the other five for kindling.
I, too, flew many a Voodoo in the early 70s with extended booms, but I didn't consider it for a second with my last because I wanted to faithfully replicate. Ditto using silk vs. film. My role model ? No sekret-Scarinzi. His workmanship, as you've seen first-hand, is, IMO, benchmark and if the guys saw what he brings to the Vintage Festival- well , they'd flip.
I winced at the notion of the Vienna Sausage can for the pacifier pod, but I gave in on that one non-faithful detail. Putting in a pressure tank like the original just wouldn't cut it because I want to fly everything I build.
Sounds like you will have one done real soon.
Good Luck,
Frank

Fredvon4 · « **Reply #72 on:** February 05, 2017, 02:05:07 PM »

Sig still carries the LE shaped stock in very close to correct size...just cut in the rib notches and build it

Dennis Leonhardi · « **Reply #73 on:** February 07, 2017, 01:04:13 AM »

In his construction article/plan for the Quicker, Riley Wooten illustrates a "shortcut" for shaped leading edges:

Bob Mears · « **Reply #74 on:** February 07, 2017, 08:00:33 AM »

Ken, Youtube has removed the audio on your original video. I'm making a dvd to play in the museum and I want that video with the audio of course. Can you get me a copy of the original please? btw I need your new email. The old one is not working

Bob Mears
bmears9413@aol.com
806 778 5465

Ken Burdick · « **Reply #75 on:** February 07, 2017, 10:22:18 AM »

Hi Bobby.
I must have fat fingered it because when I| looked up, the screen was |NOT where it was supposed to be....let's try it again.

email is keny6789@gmail.com.

Which video are you referring to? There were 3 or 4 of them.

K

Bob Mears · « **Reply #76 on:** February 07, 2017, 10:29:14 AM »

this is the one they removed the audio..... I would love copies of all that you have. I'll have them playing on a big screen continuously at our Sat. night party. Any photos you have would be great too.

Ken Burdick · « **Reply #77 on:** February 07, 2017, 03:04:38 PM »

Wow, I can't believe anyone would object to the oldies, but I guess they did. I do not have tht one as \|Joe Yau made it together with me. I sent him the songs and pix's and he assembled them. I have asked him to look and see if he still has any of it. Here is what \i can still get but it's all on youtube. Once I assembled it i no longer kept the raw material, but will look.
I'm flattered that you want to use them.

Back then nobody was doing this stuff so I didn't know if it would catch on or not. Here is what I can find beside the one you have already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldd_Pz1wOCQ&feature=youtu.be

K

Bob Mears · « **Reply #78 on:** February 07, 2017, 03:59:54 PM »

Those are so great Ken. Thanks for your effort in building them!

Ken Burdick · « **Reply #79 on:** February 09, 2017, 11:51:43 AM »

Bobby,
Joe was able to reassemble the music. Please send me a PM to keny6789@gmail.com and \i will send the video with sound to you. It is not youtube but every bit as good.

Thanks Joe!!!!!!!

Ken

Ken Burdick · « **Reply #80 on:** February 10, 2017, 10:28:43 AM »

Here is the 'rebuilt" version by Joe.....thanks Joe!

Fredvon4 · « **Reply #81 on:** February 10, 2017, 02:20:22 PM »

Bob M

Truly looking forward to the trip to Lubbock this year

I know your Lady has a big role running the contest

But I want to bring my wife, a Quilter to meet her and see her shop

WE have very substantial investment in space and shops here on the micro ranch ---but I fear your most astounding palace may cost me a few years off the kids inheritance...once my wife see what Arlene (sp?) has done with her space....grin

Please advise... should I arrive one or two day early to pester...?
Or stay a day or two after, to gain max exposure for my wife (Renie age 59) and your lady?

It suX for me at this point in life than I am physically NOW officially a Combat Groupie....
but each of my trips to your place has been rewarding, and you guys did NOT make me feel too out of place...

Too Bad Dane Martin (las Vegas) is getting married in Texas a few week prior...I am sure he would love to be there again but ----Kristina probably has already told him "Any honey moon in Lubbock Tx" is a non starter...yes SIR BOB WE can relate!!

GRIN

I will try desperately to drag Tommy Swonke to Lubbock but that poor old fart is way down Livingston way....Maybe I could coordinate and con Rich Stubbelfield to swing up and capture the old guy for a real fun weekend

Bob Mears · « **Reply #82 on:** February 13, 2017, 07:50:33 AM »

Cool. Arlene is 54 and would love to show off her quilting stuff. Probably after the contest would be better. Were busier than a cat covering crap before the contest. Arlene make 90% of the food herself. Along with the streamers and other contest preparations. I'm prepin the field and cleaning museum and setting up tables and chairs. So definitely after is a better plan. I'll let her know.

Jim Roselle · « **Reply #83 on:** June 11, 2017, 02:19:26 PM »

Quote from: Paul Smith on December 30, 2016, 12:50:59 PM

Most people gave up on the kits and just scratch-built Voodoos and such planes.

One simplifying change was to do away with the rib notching at the TE and just let the covering bridge the 1/16" imperfection. And, of course, no square spar on the centerline of the ribs.

Another was the use of a full 1/2" center rib in lieu two ribs sandwiching the engine mount.

So if I'm understanding this correctly I can eliminate the spar with no ill effects?

Jim

Ken Burdick · « **Reply #84 on:** June 12, 2017, 09:20:29 AM »

yes, the spar does little other than break ribs if you crash.

Fredvon4 · « **Reply #85 on:** June 12, 2017, 12:00:54 PM »

Other notes on the spar

If nice and straight, it can be a benefit for alignment when building, not glued to each rib, and then pulled out

If bent crooked and crummy it can, and usually will, induce a warp

on many wings often referred to as a "Rib Ripper"

Author Topic: Voodoo (Read 21750 times)

Jim Roselle