Doc Holiday opened an interesting discussion of the idea of mixing engines and electric motors in the same event.
Just when we were getting to point the topic was locked down.  Why?

I response to someone's comment, I DO NOT HATE electric motors.  But there is no way they can be fairly mixed with piston engines in Carrier or Scale.

Separate electric events should have been created by those who want them.  Hijacking existing events simply drives away the established supporters.

Yes, I should not have started it.  But, old age interferes with thoughts once in a while and Paul there is separate events already.  Go to the rule book.  Now let it die a quick death.

Yes, rules discussion is the point in forums. Personal attacks are not  and I wont tolerate them. You guys were told to get off the personal attack mode. That warning didn't work. I locked it so other visitors could see what we did or did not tolerate.  If you or the rest of the guys/gals on the Carrier section do not like what I did then here is your choice.  VOTE ME OUT OR LEAVE ME IN!  If in the next 7 days if 12 of you vote "out" I will give up being a moderator for the Carrier section.  You will have to answer a simple out or stay and use your name for the ballot to count.
 Earlier I asked for PM's. So far ALL of them have been positive, and I will not give out names because PM's are out of the loop where anyone can say how they feel without any umbrage.
Now, I end this missive with the following statement concerning changes I offer in Carrier competition.

MAKE NO CHANGES IN CARRIER NATS COMPETITION!  LEAVE IT AS IT IS NOW!

Workable changes within the NCS are being presented and many will work without any modification at National Nats venue.

PLEASE VOTE!  I accept no PM's concerning the called voting on my future.

Giuseppe...(Joe's evil twin)

Chris
Bot official and unofficial rules are on the NavyCarrier Socety site , official only on the AMA site
John

No , not exactly. There is a weight limit which effectively restricts how much power you can generate and still have a plane which can perform well. It doesn't make sense unless you try to build a carrier plane, then you find out it is an effective rule. There are some advantages to electric, smooth reliable throttle response, ease to start, and so forth. Power gets limited by the weight rule because it limits how much battery you can carry. An electric power systems weight significantly more than a glow setup.

To all carrier people,
                              First let me start off by saying , the main reason I don't post more often is the personal attacks on members . everyone is entitled to their own opinions , if you think electric and  glow should be different events then get off your asses , quit the personal attacks and change the rules ! look at old time stunt- 1 event for flapped planes , another for no flaps . I don't see the big deal .
                              The carrier bug bit me and my son at Brodak's a few years ago because of the kindness and enthusiasm of 4 people , Joe , Wayne , John and Tim Lenore .  If the time everyone spends crying and whining was spent promoting the sport , then maybe more people would become interested  and control line in general wouldn't be the dying hobby that it is today.
                               I for one will never forget the thrill of getting my first 5lb. ringmaster with a McCoy 19 to fly out a full tank of fuel without crashing and I know my son won't forget the 1st time he managed to fly a buster with a fox 35 without crashing ! Competition is good , We've had a ball at Brodak's but lets get real ,this is a hobby, not a life or death situation. If anyone thinks that they can do a better job at promoting carrier , being a moderator or running an event then it should be simple . Quit the personal attacks and at least help at an event or be a moderator
                               Nuff Said , just my 2cents  ken keller

. Quit the personal attacks and at least help at an event or be a moderator
                               Nuff Said , just my 2cents  ken keller
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Ken well thought out. here's a picture that should have some meaning for you.
Joe

So as I understand it if you choose electric as a powerplant it is unrestricted in size and battery  power?

You are correct.

ALL models are weight-limited.
In addition, piston engines are subjected to numerous rules that limit power.
Electrics have NO power limiting rules at all.

So write some rules to combine the two in what makes sense to you. Hold a contest, offer money from the entry fee's and have some fun finding out what works and what doesn't.

The NorthWest is one of the few places where the status quo has been challenged and new events sprouted.
 C speed (Martin Higgs, Kenny-b) B proto (The Aces in Vancouver Chris Sackett, Martin Higgs,) Sport Jet (Mike Hazel) F2D Proto (Kenny-b) The use of Shut off's in combat (John Thompson) Vintage diesel combat (Mel Lyon, Adrian Duncan, Paul Dranfield) Combat Graffiti (Kenny-b, Greg Davis, Barrie Hobkirk)
There are more, but this is the place where ideas get put to the test....so come on, let's see some initiative.  Figure out the rules and how to combine IC and Lectric. If it flops....so what. If it's lopsided to the advantage of one over the other, tweak the rules. I think if you do a good job, you might have a new event on a year or two of fiddling with it.

Some of the events above are now flown at the Nats, some are not but have been adapted in Europe and one in particular (shut off's) are used in world competition. Combat Graffiti began in 2012 in Vancouver and is now a hot event in the U.S.

I wrote this to inspire and to show that while it takes some work and reaching out to many, the results can be a fun and creative effort

Kenny-b