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Brodack Li'l Jumpin' Bean
« on: December 20, 2016, 06:30:20 AM »
Hi,

I'm new to this forum and I'm not an active CL builder. But I bought a Brodak Lil' Jumpin' Bean a couple of years ago and I would like to build and fly it because I have built and flew one in 1976 when I was 13.
I flew only four CL models before joining the RC world, and they were all 1/2As: two Cox PT-19, one Sterling Eindecker and the Lil' Bean.
But never did I try a looping with one of them. Shame on me, I was too scared. So now it's time to rise above this challenge, take my courage into my hands and try a few stunts. Just kidding.

I am assembling the wing. I found out that the ribs were slightly too long or the notches in the LE and TE not deep enough. But I decided not to shorten the ribs or deepen the notches. So I started by pinning down the LE over the plan and then adjusted the position of the TE with the ribs: the TE is sligthy rear of its corresponding position on the plan by about 1/16".

I also had to sand heavily the 1/16" ply reinforcement joiner for it to fit (the joiner is glued against the LE between the two central #1 ribs).
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2016, 11:10:43 AM »
I had a Lil Jumping Bean as well when I was a kid.  Good memories.  I learned to loop (I/s & o/s), wing over, fly inverted, etc.  She never broke, no matter how many times I landed her vertically!  Good little ship.  It seems like you have a very good start there....nice looking wing.
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2016, 01:14:31 PM »
Paul,
You're on the right track. The thing about kits is, you still have to supply your own improvisational engineering to make them fit. The plans could have been reproduced on a copier that was not exactly 1:1. But if you're careful to just build it straight and strong, as it seems you are, then it'll be just fine and, in a way, your own one of a kind.

Good luck, and keep us posted on your progress. And before you try that first loop, let us know. Don't just pull full up(Yank 'n Hope). This place is full of folks that can tell you how to Fly it through a loop. The Bean will. I flew my first loop with a Bean, bought it for that purpose. Good choice.
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2016, 02:44:19 PM »
Glenn.....Watch those wing tips...Don"t glue them on backwards like I did, Now I have my own Bean!!

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2016, 08:20:01 PM »
The Jumpin Bean was a fun plane.  Now if I remember right I think John states in the intro instructions that parts may not fit the plan as paper will shrink or grow.    So I use the plans to get a general idea of how the plane is supposed to be assembled and go from there.  You don't say what you have for power, but mine had an OK Cub .049A on it.
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2016, 09:20:53 PM »
Black Widow on mine. Strong engine, but with only 8cc of gas, the fun light flickers off too soon. So I later equipped it with a Medallion and a balloon tank for better inverted flight. Much more friendly needling the Medallion too.

I know it's early for recommendations, but this is my personal favorite 1/2A fuel:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?I=LXDBNH&P=8
It's the newly re-formulated mix with the contents labeled on a band around the neck(25/20, 1/2 castor/1/2 synth). So if you see it in a hobby shop, make sure it's not the deadly old formula, which does Not list the contents.

I also have prop preferences for easiest looping, but we can discuss that after your bird is ready to fly.
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2016, 04:57:48 AM »
Thanks for the replies guys.

I will mount a .049 Cox Babe Bee or Golden Bee. I will cover the wing with the silkspan included in the kit. I will then apply nitrate dope and nitrocellulosic paint.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2016, 08:03:18 AM »
http://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=6627

Parts tracings and plans of the original.  It is worth consulting, not so sure about having it printed since you have good kit.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2016, 02:45:19 PM »
                   Paul, 1/2A and silkspan don't go together well. The rough landings on grass can puncture it and a unintentional clip popping off of the head can also lead to a hole in the wing. There's a lot more durable substitutes to silkspan. I personally would suggest a iron on covering due to warp prevention and simplicity of repairs. Ken

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2016, 10:05:28 AM »
Thanks for the link. I also found the original instructions and a plan to laser cut-out the parts (the files are too large to be attached here).
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2356569-Goldberg-Lil-Jumpin-Bean

Thanks for the advice, I will cover the wing with Monokote or the like.

I glued the wing tips and the brass eyelets for the leadout cables. My progress is slow because I use white glue and 24hr epoxy. CA glue and 5mn epoxy make me nervous.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2016, 10:19:58 AM »
I used Mono and wish I have used a bit lighter but that is just me...I follow a LOT of Ken Cook suggestion and rarely disagree

In this case I (retrospect) think Larry Rengers suggestion of tissue/ lite span/ poly span / 5mm silk / with NO dope and final top of SLC is bound to be durable and very good looking..and a tad lighter

Many ways to skin the Bean.... I do wish (low parts count) I had built two at once ...mine came out a bit heavy and the (I thought strong) BlacK Widow struggled....so I radial mounted a NV .049 and need to seriously think about a set of 42' lines....grin
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2016, 03:45:53 AM »
Thanks for the advice Fredvon4.

Today I glued the bellcrank platform in place, attached the leadout cables and set the bellcrank in place with the mounting screw. There is no explanation on the plan or in the manual about the parts required to mount the bellcrank in. There are two screws of the same diameter but one is longer than the other. One is for the bellcrank and the other one for the elevator horn. But on the plan they are of same length. I chose the little one. And I did not use any metal washer, just the plastic tube around which the bellcrank rotates.

As you can see I broke the outer #1 rib when I assembled the wing.

I also broke the pushrod. The Z bend was not right so I tried to straighten it but it immediately broke. Living in Europe I will replace it with German music wire.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2016, 08:24:59 AM »
Pre-bent pushrods are always a bad idea.   I prefer to use two half-rods with a splice in the middle so I can join them as the final step.  That, or else leave the pushrod long and do the horn connection last.
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2016, 09:03:13 AM »
Thanks for the hint, I chose the second option.

I have some time before the Midnight Mass so decided to go on with the build.

I messed up the end of the leadout cables so decided to replace them with some very stiff fishing line. As you can see on the original instruction manual, the leadouts were made of 1/64" music wire or Dacron flying line. The cable included in the kit is nice, it's my fault.
I made an Uni knot at the bellcranck and a simple Surgeon knot at the other end. Looks OK to me.

I assembled the center-sheeting parts before gluing the sheetings to the wing. I reinforced the pushrod exit hole edges with CA glue.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2016, 08:04:50 PM »
I was going to say to verify those cables don't hang up on the rib.  Lost a plane that way, almost lost its sister built at the same time... I had to cut into the wing and replace the lead outs.

With fishing line you need to be able to verify the line is not chafing.  You may also need to get to the bell crank in the future. At least mark the wing for possible future surgery.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2016, 10:11:44 PM »
This is not the Li'l Jumpin' Bean, but it is my resurrection of it(called the "ReFried Bean") after I lost it after many crashes and finally when the bellcrank pulled out during a figure 8.

Notice I had to relocate it, but my point is the extra brace I added for pull strength, bracing it to the next rib. There are other ways to strengthen it, but I didn't know how to suspend a crank back when I did this.

Also shown is the finished product of the RFB.
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2016, 09:34:34 AM »
To secure a bellcrank, even on a 1/2A, use a longer bolt secured at both ends.  Also, mounted outboard and secured against the fuselage.
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2016, 11:53:57 AM »

 That "Refried Bean" is really cool, looks like fun! y1
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2016, 09:49:34 PM »
That "Refried Bean" is really cool, looks like fun! y1
It is. 6 ounces of sport stunt evil! Lol. All that's left of the Jumpin Bean is the LE, a few of the ribs and that center part of the fuse with the pilot still on it. I replaced the nose with birch ply and doublers. The nose & tail moments and stab area are the same as the bean, but I added fixed flaps for more lift.
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Here's a flight. I was getting a lean sag. At first, I thought it was the venturi leaking, but once I got the hang of needling a Norvel .061 on a pressure bladder she smoothed out. I also had it over propped with an MA 5.5x3. It runs much steadier with a 5.25 or 5x3. MA GF series 6x3 are my favorite 1/2A props. I just cut them to whatever size I need. They are pretty durable. Not as indestructible as a Cox rubber ducky, but they turn faster and survive rough landings and some crashes.




This next video is the same Bean on its last flight before the BC pulled out, demolishing every rib in the inboard wing. I later got the idea to turn it into a twin-boom combat stunter. Then it became the Refried Bean. I never did get that party balloon bladder working really well on this one. I later switched to pressurized surgical tubing and never looked back. All my 1/2As are now on pressure bladders. I buy the bladder stuff from Texas Timers.com and made a how-to video about making and using them, http://www.coxengineforum.com/t3317-pressure-bladder-how-to-videos-parts-one-and-two
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2016, 09:04:47 AM »
Thanks for the tips guys. :)
That re-fried bean sure flies well with the Norvel. Very nice. I hope mine flies as well, but I know it won't be as fast.

The wing is completed. I added some scrap filler blocks at the tips, just as on the original. I think this will add a lot to the aesthetics.
I also sanded the whole wing and finally glued the counterweight to the outer tip. The sanding took me 4 hours because of the filler blocks.

Should I cover the wing with Monokote before gluing it to the fuselage?


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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2016, 10:52:48 AM »
I think I tried ironing on Monokote after wing installation exactly once.  I'll never do it again.  I always iron on the wing covering first, then cut away the Monokote from the center where it will glue to the fuselage using a NEW blade on my knife. 

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2016, 09:07:22 PM »
Message received loud and clear, thanks Mark. :)

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2016, 11:17:02 PM »
Message received loud and clear, thanks Mark. :)
And of course I do it exactly opposite Lol. So whatever works best for you. That being said, I think Mark is a better 1/2A builder than I am. So whatever method you use, I have no doubt it'll be a thing of beauty when you finish it.

I learned a lot tonight from Sparky on his live feed, building a wing in two separate halves, and I look forward to using some of his methods soon.
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2016, 12:11:47 AM »
And of course I do it exactly opposite Lol. So whatever works best for you. That being said, I think Mark is a better 1/2A builder than I am.
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I would never say I'm better.  I've always been mightily impressed with your planes, Rusty.  I've even thought several times about copying you and building a Refried Bean from scratch.   ;D

And it's true.  The best way is the way that's best for you, Paul.  Feel free to try it both ways.  I did and picked my favorite.  Rusty did and picked his favorite.  So now it's your turn to pick your favorite so that when you read that same question from someone else in about five years you can tell him what your favorite method is.  There's no right or wrong, and it's all about sharing.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2016, 10:47:55 AM »
A soldering iron works pretty darn good instead of a knife for removing monokote.

I install the wing first typically, I have had poor results trimming out the covering due to less than sharp fresh blades (Better results with a soldering iron)  However on small planes I wait to cover both wings before getting the heat gun out to do final shrinking.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2016, 08:28:53 PM »
I think I tried ironing on Monokote after wing installation exactly once.  I'll never do it again.  I always iron on the wing covering first, then cut away the Monokote from the center where it will glue to the fuselage using a NEW blade on my knife. 

Mark

Ok. Now with this method stated I have a major question to you Mark, or others that do it this way. I do wholeheartedly agree that it is and or would be easier to cover the wing before installation. Makes it much easier to cover than play around with the fuselage or tail assemblies in the way to either get in the way, or break! I have only covered one wing installed, and that was with doculam, so I did have a lot of extra and waste was of no concern. But where I see a problem with 'pre-covering' then cutting out the center section, with a new blade or not, does it not 'score' the wood underneath any amount, thus weakening it? This is the only reason I have not pre-covered my planes. Just trying to understand. Not like my planes have any life expectancy of great time anyways.... Thank you.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2016, 09:22:20 PM »
Ok. Now with this method stated I have a major question to you Mark, or others that do it this way. I do wholeheartedly agree that it is and or would be easier to cover the wing before installation. Makes it much easier to cover than play around with the fuselage or tail assemblies in the way to either get in the way, or break! I have only covered one wing installed, and that was with doculam, so I did have a lot of extra and waste was of no concern. But where I see a problem with 'pre-covering' then cutting out the center section, with a new blade or not, does it not 'score' the wood underneath any amount, thus weakening it? This is the only reason I have not pre-covered my planes. Just trying to understand. Not like my planes have any life expectancy of great time anyways.... Thank you.
That's why Phil uses a soldering iron, so it doesn't score the wood and end up folding a wing someday.
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2016, 12:37:18 AM »
But where I see a problem with 'pre-covering' then cutting out the center section, with a new blade or not, does it not 'score' the wood underneath any amount, thus weakening it? This is the only reason I have not pre-covered my planes. Just trying to understand. Not like my planes have any life expectancy of great time anyways.... Thank you.

I do understand your concern.  And it is of a little more concern with a 1/2A plane than with a larger plane, since the center sheeting is usually 1/16" sheeting.  That's why I ensure that I use a brand new blade.  If you mark where the covering is to come off with a fine line sharpie (my choice) and then lightly score the covering, you can usually make a good score without actually cutting all the way through.  Monokote is actually pretty thick skinned.  Once I have the score line, I pick a spot in the center of the wing and carefully cut all the way through the Monokote on both sides of section where the covering would be removed.  Usually about 1/2" to 3/4".  Then I lift up that little cut section, kind of like a pocket, and cut across from left to right making two little tabs fore and aft.  Next, I lightly pull up on one of the tabs and run the blade tip along the score lines, left and right, as I go, making a nice clean cut as the blade follows the score lines and the covering lifts up. Doing this on both front and back tabs of the section to be cut away gets me to the leading and trailing edge where I trim off the tag.  Once the covering is cut away, run the sealing iron back along the edge of the Monokote to seal it back down.

If my explanation is too confusing, I'll see if I can make some time to shoot a quickie vid of how I cut the Monokote away.

But, what if I scored the wood underneath?  Well, I use CA for most everything, and I figure if I made a little score in the wood, the CA would just wick in and fill in the score.  No harm, no foul.  I've never had a wing fail on me yet at the center sheeting in the 30-something years I've been using Monokote and trimming this way.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2016, 01:34:06 AM »
Thanks for all the ideas. I decided to cover the wing first. Wait and see.

I am knocked out by a vicious flu :P so the Li'l Bean is sleeping.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2016, 02:10:43 PM »
Ouch, Paul. So sorry. There is not much that can make you feel worse than the flu. Anyone who hasn't had the real thing just can't imagine. Hammer that fever down the best you can and stay in bed. The Bean will wait. Hopefully if you got your shot, it'll shorten the flu by a few days. Hope you have someone to look after you. My favorite sick food; Campbells beef consume' and Saltines. Helps you stay hydrated.
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2016, 07:03:17 PM »
Thanks to all for taking their time to explain the process, and how to do it. It does make sense. And get well Paul. We want to see your Lil Bean!

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2016, 08:17:16 AM »
Just pulled out my original kit of the  Carl Goldberg "Li' J Bean" and had a look through it.  Picked it up somewhere for $5.00 many years ago, along with a $5.00  CG Stuntman.  Although I can see that the use of Monokote has its puncture resistance properties I'm still a big fan of silk span on the smaller models.  Very much dated info/opinion here but...  We trashed around with Baby Ringmasters (built up wing versions) and .049's back in the 1970's and as a kid I was always amazed at the kind of beating they could take before major damage.  I use to think that part of that was all about the extremely light weight the models had. Flying over somewhat longer uncut grass was a bit of a bonus when crashing or landing as we sorta thought the grass helped to cushion the blows in a way.  We flew them without landing gear (hand launched) which reduced the weight a bit more and helped with the C.G. (moved it rearward a bit).  They were great fun.  Patching the odd tear in the covering was also a snap.  We did use Monokote on the larger Ringmasters and it seemed, obviously, to "fit" better into that larger models weight/power range. I have no empirical date to support my thinking here..we were just kids starting out in the hobby after all.  Regardless of covering enjoy the build and the flying.   #^  
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2016, 10:58:08 AM »
Don't see your age, but way back in the days of silkspan, I used a lot of dope.  Mr. Meriwether said the dope is what gave it it strength.  I still remember when Monokote first acme out as Mr. Meriwether asked me to try it.  This was the old sticky back stuff that you had to be careful with.  Sure was glad when they came up with the newer stuff.  I even tried the first roll of Solar Film he got in his shop.
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2016, 12:24:16 AM »
Thanks for caring guys. My wife is by my side but she is also sick. :P We should be fine in a few days.

I have another question: in case I cover the wing first, should I finish the fuselage (dope + silkspan + paint) before gluing the wing and the fuselage together? And is this kind of finish appropriate for a 1/2A fuselage?

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2016, 07:45:59 AM »
Lightest is best.  It is paramount for 1/2a especially if this is getting a Cox bee instead of a more powerful beam mount engine.  The maximum target weight is 6 oz.  That is everything, engine, paint, air frame...

If you are going to tissue the fuselage then that has to be done before the wing is installed.  Tissue will reduce the need to fill grain in the fuselage, but has its own weight.  I don't know which way is best weight wise.  The 'Bean is easy to get tail heavy through too much paint.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2016, 05:28:46 PM »
In the days of yore, my brother built a lil jumping bean and I built the Stuntman 23.  We put Tee Dee .09s on them.  I remember that when he released mine, it was just gone.  My eyes caught up to it about a quarter lap around.  A bullet on a string for sure.  I think you are on a better track.  enjoy!

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2016, 03:15:59 AM »
I had a TD .049 on it, it was also a bullet, much too fast for the beginner I used to be. This time I will put a reed valve .049. I may look like a small player but my objectives are:
- rediscover control line flying
- perform at least one loop.

I want to give my Li'l bean the look of "the Li'l bean I built as a kid" so I decided to add a firewall and fairing blocks.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2016, 09:10:22 AM »
That old style is a far superior firewall too, so good for you on that. Remember what I said early on, when you get ready for that first loop, let us know first. Don't just yank and hope, or it may not make it through the bottom. This place is full of folks that can tell you how to "FLY" it through a loop.

Glad you're feeling better.
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2016, 09:35:32 AM »
Thanks Rusty, yeah feeling much better, I'm recovering, but that was the worst flu I've experienced. Getting old lol.

I saw a few of your videos and I can see you know how to fly, the least to be said. I'm just a RC Sunday flyer.


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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2016, 09:46:32 AM »
The original needed the landing gear to balance properly as the nose is quite short.  With a stunt bee or black widow and no landing gear the nose is still a little short and needs a spacer behind the engine to balance.  I have about 1/4 inch of plywood on mine.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2016, 11:54:28 AM »
Sounds like too much opaque finish.
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2016, 08:14:54 PM »
Sounds like too much opaque finish.
Thanks for the flying compliments, Paul.
Mine was an over-painted lead sled in its pre-fried days. Lol, the Pre-Fried Bean LL~.
But it still flew fine with some lead in its snoot. The BW hauled it easily in its early days on 35' lines. The Medallion came later as it became a testbed for fuel supply experiments. My favorite prop for 1/2A is the GF series master Airscrew 6x3, cut down to 5.5, 5.25 and 5"... forgive me if I'm repeating myself, I might've already said that. They turn the engines faster and bog less than with the Cox Rubber Ducky, no matter how short I cut the Cox props.

If an engine is just too fast for your area and you're restricted to 35' lines, an APC 6x2 lets the engine spool up to useful SPI range while slowing the airframe to a more manageable speed. That's a good trick if you ever put a TD on it. And it'll loop better with the lower pitch. I don't recommend learning loops with a 4 pitch Cox or MA, they won't let the plane turn as tightly(in my humble experience).

Here's my Pre-Fried Bean. First built up wing I ever made.
 
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #42 on: January 01, 2017, 02:17:09 PM »
Sounds like too much opaque finish.

    My first one was silkspan/black Aerogloss, and it balanced fine with a Golden Bee. And flew pretty good, as near as I could tell at the time. It would have been better about 40% bigger but it was fine straight ouf of the box. Of course the box said "Carl Goldberg" at the time.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2017, 07:10:52 AM »
Nice Pre-Fried Bean Rusty and Happy New Year everybody.  H^^

I decided to glue the landing gear to the fuselage. I don't really like this loose shock-absorber idea, and the fairing blocks don't make my work any easier. I sandwiched the fuselage between some light ply found in the box. I also inserted the 1/8" x 1" dowel in order to get the proper LG angle. The dowel was cut flush with the LG and the latter sewn to the fuselage.

I glued the nuts to the rear of the 1/4" firewall.

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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2017, 02:56:56 PM »
Paul, that was exactly the right way to mount the gear. I had nothing but trouble with the dowel and rubber band method.
Be sure and glass the nose of the motor mount around the sides and front. The picture isn't a Bean, but same idea. You can use lighter glass than what I show, it was all I had at the time.
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Re: Brodack Lil' Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2017, 03:41:59 AM »
Ok I'm done with the assembling. Took some time because I used a lot of 24hr epoxy. As you can see, I had to stuff the wing saddle with scrap balsa in order to have an invisible joint between the wing and the fuselage.
Thanks for the tip Rusty. I did not glass the front of the firewall because it is 1/4" thick, so has a lot of side surface for the glass.

I will now cover the wing and start doping the fuselage. I will take my time to finish the model because the Li'l Bean won't fly before spring.  S?P

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Re: Brodack Li'l Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2017, 09:44:32 AM »
Looks good and solid, Paul. It oughtta take a lick with no problem. It's about time to start counting the days till spring. Or at least the weeks... lets see, that'll be 9 weeks till daylight saving time. Woohoo!
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Re: Brodack Li'l Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2017, 09:19:17 PM »
Just a word to say that I'm almost finished.

I just need to spray some clear epoxy to protect the nitro paint and I'm waiting for my Cox engine I just bought on eBay.
I will post a picture of the finished model next week.

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Re: Brodack Li'l Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2017, 10:15:41 PM »
Cool, glad to see you survived the winter! Looking forward to the maiden flight. Don't forget to take a picture of it before you fly it.
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Re: Brodack Li'l Jumpin' Bean
« Reply #49 on: April 14, 2017, 10:43:55 PM »
Don't forget to take a picture of it before you fly it.

Lol, I will.
I messed up the finishing because I tried not to cover the fuselage with Silkspan.
The decals seem to be the originals because among all the decals there is the dashboard.
Brodak must have got hold of the last decals: super quality like things use to be.


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